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post #61 of 77
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I can guarantee you it indeed happened. The resort in question was Val Saint-Come Quebec in Lanaudiere. I have been looking for news articles as well but it would seem no one reported it to the media. I have training video from that day but I think I was standing with my back to the lifts so it wouldn't be on there anyways, not that I want to go looking for that anyways.

As for the accident I was more busy trying to get my kids away from it than to pay attention to what exacly went wrong. All I know is that he was hanging there, maybe it was his helmet, maybe it was the harness that slipped after a while of being stuck, who knows.

What I do know is that a miracle happened and that he came out of coma yesterday afternoon and apparently seems to be ok considering, the doctor who treated him at the hill (a parent of my team) was pretty emotional when he learned it. Everyone else involved got a load off their shoulders. He souldn't have lived but he did, at this point I kind of feel bad for bringing this up here as I didn't want to come off as someone who likes to start fights but I had to share what to me was gross negligence.

Anyways he's alive, and miraculously not a vegetable, time will tell the extent of the damage but for me that is closure and I have been thanking god every minute since I heard the news. Thanks for your positive thoughts and prayers, everyone involved here needed it.
post #62 of 77
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

OK, let's pretend it never happened. Let the lawyers settle behind closed doors and let's try to be more careful next time.

Well, can we agree that the place to work this out is not in internet forum with basically no pertinent information?  
post #63 of 77
The Canadian press normally does report this type of accident when they occur.  Assuming there was in fact an incident here, if it has gone unreported for this long  it would likely be because all parties did not wish for it to be reported.  Even the best onlookers can miss lots of info simply because they can't debrief everyone.  Basically we have no hard info to conclude anything from, much less negligence.
post #64 of 77
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Well, can we agree that the place to work this out is not in internet forum with basically no pertinent information?  


 

No we do not agree. I find the discussion here very pertinent and enlightening. This is an internet discussion forum, people are discussing, it is what it is...
post #65 of 77
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No we do not agree. I find the discussion here very pertinent and enlightening. This is an internet discussion forum, people are discussing, it is what it is...


Keeping the noise to signal ratio pretty high, with lots of ill-informed speculation about things that have meaning in the real world, is what it is. 
post #66 of 77
I am extremely glad to hear the kid came out OK. 

Maybe we could make everyone happy here by starting another thread, possibly in the Patrol Shack forum, about evac procedures. 

I'd like to know a bit more about how different areas do it and what equipment they use.  The last time I saw it done (November of 2008 at Beech Mt NC) they used a rope with a saucer tossed over the cable, had people sit on the saucer holding the rope after dropping the skis and poles, then lowered them to the ground.  I don't recall any harnesses attached to the saucer thingie.

Mods, post a link if this is moved to another thread.
post #67 of 77
Thanks for the report, TMAS29, especially the good news.  My thinking that this has to come out is that the use of children in training has to be explained.  I'm sure they didn't all sign waivers.  If public safety officials are protecting the local business, the ski industry needs to investigate so that this doesn't happen again.  But I don't know that we have any mechanism to do so.  If it's investigated as part of a court case, findings could still be kept from the public and the industry.
post #68 of 77

I'm so happy to hear that the child is doing better, and not dead, or worse.  Thank those Angels!   Hopefully all involved will have a weight off their hearts now.  I pray for the child's complete recovery.

post #69 of 77
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No we do not agree. I find the discussion here very pertinent and enlightening. This is an internet discussion forum, people are discussing, it is what it is...

What it is is some people with little idea of what happened or how things are done are making emotional and poorly-informed pronouncements.  For instance:

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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

OK, let's pretend it never happened. Let the lawyers settle behind closed doors and let's try to be more careful next time.

But if that's what you find pertinent and enlightening, then I guess we don't agree.  

I'm glad to hear that the kid is doing well.  
post #70 of 77
 I' glad that everything seems to be working out OK for the child and the patrollers.  I would be completely freaked out if this had happened at my hill.  I am interested to know more details and hope that some will emerge.  I am still having a hard time visualizing how something like this could happen.  

I said that my first thought was that this was a troll.  I didn't mean to be insensitive to TMAS29 and what he witnessed.  If you read my post, I stated that the OP didn't seem to fit the profile of a troller like, for example, Chaos.

I work as a patroller on one hill and an instructor on another.  If something like this happened in front of me while I was responsible for guests and the patrol was working on it, my job would be to get the guests away from that scene quickly and without drawing their attention to it.  If I was first responder that might be different, but I would still be leaving as soon as the patrol showed up and released me.  TMAS29 did the right thing focusing on his responsibility to his kids.

Thank you TMAS29 for reporting what you saw and for the follow up.  Please give out some more details if you can as the incident investigation becomes public.
post #71 of 77
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Thank you TMAS29 for reporting what you saw and for the follow up.  Please give out some more details if you can as the incident investigation becomes public.
 


I second that.  If any good can come out of this horrible incident, it will be that the patrol and the public learn a bit more about safe evacuation.  Resorts try to keep their accidents quiet, something I find counter productive in the big picture.

Great news about the kid!
post #72 of 77
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Originally Posted by Bob Lee View Post

But if that's what you find pertinent and enlightening, then I guess we don't agree.  

I'm glad to hear that the kid is doing well.  

 

So am I. Hopefulyl he makes a full recovery. 
 
I don't let a few cynical posts form well known curmudgeons ruin my experience of these fourms. There is good stuff in this thread.
post #73 of 77
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Thanks for the report, TMAS29, especially the good news.
Ditto.
post #74 of 77
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I second that.  If any good can come out of this horrible incident, it will be that the patrol and the public learn a bit more about safe evacuation.  Resorts try to keep their accidents quiet, something I find counter productive in the big picture.

Great news about the kid!

Yup. Unless there actually is a death, somebody famous, or a lawsuit is filed then you don't hear much about it. This kind of enlightens me as I am building my New England ski resorts website. I have been through every resorts sites numerous times for research and just realized that none of them heavily market safety records or boast about how highly trained their patrollers are and what their response times are to emergencies. Maybe the PR people and the marketing directors don't think these are important to people but I bet they are to the casual skier or rider especially younger families. I am going to do more homework on this.
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post #76 of 77
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Well, can we agree that the place to work this out is not in internet forum with basically no pertinent information?  

 
Certainly, my point was that these incidents typically go unreported. I know of one fatality at one of our local hills that I never saw in the news or elsewhere (before I had internet) and a more recent death at the other nearby hill that I only read about on a regional internet forum, nowhere else.
post #77 of 77
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The Canadian press normally does report this type of accident when they occur...

Do they have beat reporters assigned to ski areas? Press is not all knowing.
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