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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am wondering if it would be advisable to purchase a new Intuition Liner to put in my Nordica 130s.  I have complained a lot ever since I purchased the boot, but it performs extremely well.  My reason for the Intuition Liner would be to snug up the fit around the back section of the foot.  My foot is very low volume.  I have also lost 25 lbs and can notice the effect in the way the boots fit.  I am rolling a little in the boot and cannot ski safely with the boot as loose as it is.  The boot was purchased one size down from a normal fit - 28.5 to 27.5.  We did plenty of grinding, toe lift, sole cants (which need to be increased) and ...softening of the shell.

The second question:  If this still doesn't work, can the liner be transferred to a new shell and re-heated for fit?

Your help is greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 21
the thicker intuition liner might help, but I'd worry about it packing out the same as what you have.  best to call intuition and ask them directly.  They are very good with answering questions.

intuitions can be re-heated (if needed) and moved

Do you have the 130 in the pro (98mm) or the WC (95mm) shape.   if you need more support the 95 might be the answer

this is ALL assuming that the shell fit is right on what you have.....
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by mntlion View Post

the thicker intuition liner might help, but I'd worry about it packing out the same as what you have.  best to call intuition and ask them directly.  They are very good with answering questions.

intuitions can be re-heated (if needed) and moved

Do you have the 130 in the pro (98mm) or the WC (95mm) shape.   if you need more support the 95 might be the answer

this is ALL assuming that the shell fit is right on what you have.....
 
I don't see it as a "pack-out" problem.  It has always been "not snug" and the weight loss and resulting thinner foot doesn't help.

The boot that I have is not the Pro - it's the Doberman.  I am seriously contemplating a new purchase, maybe the 110 this time.

On the shell size, it's as short/small as you could possibly go with out grounding through the shell.  I measure a size 12 shoe and wear a 27.5 shell.

My hope is that the liner will fill in some of the space at the back of the boot where there is a lack of foot.  The heal and lower foot in general is petite.
post #4 of 21
if you want to take up volume then a zip fit liner may well be a better option... the fit question that was raised there is a doberman pro 130 and a doberman world cup 130 the difference in the last is 3mm the pro version bing 98mm the W/C being 95mm

if it is the 98mm verion then a zip fit world cup may fit in if that is too tight or it is the world cup version you will need to try the gara 
post #5 of 21
For you to be loose is a 27 with a size 12 foot is unusual.  Suggest you have a narrow or otherwise low volume foot and you would be better off with a narrower shell.

Lou
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
It is the Doberman Pro 130.

Lou, there is no doubt, my foot is slim, and low.  In the front it flattens out wide like a duck.  We go with a short boot to help snug it up and to put me in a better position to leverage the boot.  It didn't work in this case.  I would like to try the Intuition liner to see if that makes the rear portion of the foot fit better.  Problem is, if my foot is so slight, will the liner be made for a more normal foot and not help improve the situation.  I need to snug up the rear of the boot, not just the heal.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 
I am looking at a new Nordica.  But I hate to buy another pair after all of the problems I have had in the past.  I have had great boot fitters help me and we still can't seem to get it right.  If the last was similar to the 130, I be very tempted to try the 110.

Slim heal, wide behind the toes, low in height - they just don't make em like that.

One fitter said that I measure 26 in the back and 28 in front???  He measured around the part of the foot where it curves from the leg.
post #8 of 21
Paul, the biggest problem is that the intuition liner will only compress, it will not expand to fill voids, if there is a way of putting one in the shell unmoulded you should be able to tell how much space it will take up.... my gut feeling says it will not be enough
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 
That's what I am looking for.  So now - Zipfit.  Or a new boot.
post #10 of 21
impossible to answer on line, i would find a dealer who sells zip fit and try them, one of the great things about the line is that i can be tried, moulded if required and if it doesn't feel right put back on the shelf, if acn also be swithced to a new shell if you change the boot in a season or twos time
post #11 of 21
Agree with CEM but in my opinion there is no doubt the Zip will control volume issues better than an Intuition.

Lou
post #12 of 21
Thread Starter 
The intuition seemed like a very simple solution and the zip fit seems more complicated.  I have also heard the the Zipfit is more painful.  I hate pain.

Something has to be done.
post #13 of 21
 Zip Fit has a new liner called the "Indy" which is kinda a hybrid between the Intuition and the regular Zip Fit.   It has the Zip Fit flow material around the heel and ankle area and a lace up front with traditional tongue.  This retails for about $250 and may solve your problem for a bit less than the normal Zip Fits.  It also is re-moldable and can be tried without commitment to purchase.
post #14 of 21
paul,

as Bud says the Indy may be an otion for you... be warned theough there will be some extreme tighness (possibly pain) during the moulding process

the zipfit just takes longer to break in than the intuition 3-4 days of hard skiing sometimes with some discomfort  if that is not soemthign you can handle then it is not the lienr for you, other than that they are great, i have been skiing in zip fit for the past 11 years in various versions
post #15 of 21
Thread Starter 
Wow, this is great.  I have had boots foamed in the past and that hurts like hell - works though.  It would be worth the discomfort to get this thing taken care of.

So now I need to find a shop that carries Zip fits.
post #16 of 21
 Paul,  I can send  you some  if you can not find anyone locally.  They can be  molded at home.
post #17 of 21
 Paul - having seen you ski (and sorry boot guys for posting in your forum). I think you need to start over from zero. IMHO your bootfit is just wrong. To be blunt, I can't believe you can ski as well as you do standing the way that you do. I think you need to go to PJ or go down to Bill Haight at GMOL and ask them what boot you should be in. Don't go down there with ideas of what you want, just go down an ask what you need. I don't even know that the Dobie is wrong for you, but whatever has been done isn't helping.
post #18 of 21
Thread Starter 
Epic, I hear you.  The boot skis so fine, but if it's not the appropriate boot then nothing will make it right.  Problem is, who's to say the next boot will be any different.  I have failed in the purchase of boots for the last 15 years.  GMOL fit my last boot and although they did a great job, it missed.

Various models are going through my head, can't help it, but you are right.

Bud, thank you for the offer.  I will contact you as things develop.

bz
post #19 of 21

Paul,

You have been given some great advise.  If you have had difficulties in getting a boot for 15 years it sounds like you are outside of the standard fitting issues.
 


Edited by Strolz_Boot_Guy - 12/19/09 at 12:09pm
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
Strolz foamed liner has also been suggested - just the liner.  I think it is $500. so I fee that it would be wise to pick up a new boot and start from there.  Strolz has been suggested to me for years.
post #21 of 21
 I think you should really go and talk to Bill Haight at GMOL. He posts here as Bootguy. If you don't like what he has to say, just keep your wallet in your pocket. I'll bet he's seen a foot and leg like yours before and has a way to make it work.
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