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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
It seems to me that we sure have alotta folks gunna meet up in Utah in Feb, Do we have any locals that could look into a " group rate" for the super pass.
I understand that the pass is already a pretty good deal, but for somereason I'm really thinking this year every dollar counts ( maybe the 20% pay cut this year)
It looks like we have a minimum 25 people that have already booked flights and lodging in the area, we may by the looks of it see 35-40 folks ( wow crazy! )
Anyway just a thought if like I said a local can check it out or already has.

Thanks
post #2 of 21
I think you'd be surprised to find out how quickly a little thing like "look into" or "check it out" can turn into a significant undertaking. Nothing wrong with asking. But understand that even picking eateries for the larger group to meet and eat at can become time consuming. Will any veggies or vegans be attending? Is there a span of stuff on the menu to satisfy those on a tight budget as well as those looking for a big "treat" style trip. Etc.  If someone lines up any sort of group deal/pricing, what kind of firm commits do they need? How do they herd the cats? Do they end up having to handle money/transactions - and so on. 

I'm not even going to try to remember everyone I should name and thank and offer up as examples (and these are just some of the ones I know of), but some examples might be beneficial...

When someone like Bob Peters or BWPA or Ant takes time to show the gang around the mountain - that's doing for free what they normally get paid to do. When Harkin Banks plays tail gunner & keeps an eye on everyone on a huge powder day, and takes big chunks of time to help coax people through places maybe a bit over their personal limits --- well let's just say that's his big patroller heart beating as he cheerfully makes for a good/safe group experience - while he could be lapping the place twice (at least) as fast as most of the rest of us. Likewise, Uncle Louie is clearly there for the company and because he's a generous guy - 'cause it sure isn't because he gets his thrills slowing down to ski at my pace ;) And if a big group eating venue ends up working out, it might be because a local like Mr. Crab personally inspected the options in advance. And in a fluke year/situation if there are a ton of no-shows, only a handful of people might know that Ryan had to chat with the manager & suggest a large booth will do instead of the previously reserved banquet room. And appreciate his effort to set set the thing up in the first place.

Like I said, I'm not saying you shouldn't ask. But people should understand it is a "gathering", not an organized commercial event. And while a lot of people give of themselves to help the whole community have a great time - what gets done for the group happens simply because someone chooses to make it happen. So...if you really want something to happen and no one else is jumping on it, the ball is in your court...
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 
Wasn't the type of constructive response I was really looking for but thanks for a response.
post #4 of 21
This is a great question but I'm pretty sure that this was looked into at the Gathering 2 years back in Utah.  Somebody correct me if I'm worng, but the savings were mimimal and it would have required a great deal of time to coordinate it.  You would have to get frim commitments from people and as Spindrift said, somebody would have to collect money, etc.  I would certainly like to save a few bucks, but the effort someone would have to invest would not be worth it.
Looking forward to kskiing with you Old Boot.
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
Thanks North that was closer to the type of thing I was looking for LOL. I use to put trips of 10 to 15 people together and the odd time I through my contacts in the ski industry could get a "deal" on all kinds of odd things, u know the if you drop into this shop and tell them you are with the Parker group you might get 10 -20% of gloves and such. anyway was worth asking, looks like you got the right answear
AND I AM SOOO STOKED ABOUT THE TRIP ALREADY. (just got my ski boots out to see if they will go over the damaged ankle, i know they will if I have to use a hammer!! )
post #6 of 21
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Originally Posted by Old Boot View Post

Wasn't the type of constructive response I was really looking for but thanks for a response.

Honestly, I wasn't trying to be non-constructive. But I did try to put some aspects of the event's typical dynamic in perspective. In light of today's web & telephony world, anyone can contact any business & either do some preliminary homework or fully line up a deal. Again, nothing wrong with asking. WIth or without having done some advance homework. But the more you are willing to invest up-front in making it happen, the more likely it is to happen. And if the investment is more than you want to put in, it may be more than someone else wants to put in...
post #7 of 21
I'll take a shot at this too. 

Note that Spindrift, probably unknowingly, listed all pros in his first post here (me being the only former pro).  All of us he noted and a few others keep a VERY watchful eye on things, all play tail gunner and all keep pace with the group for the enjoyment and safety of all.  Heck, I saw Harkin turn off on his own, away from the group at Jackson and followed HIM to be sure he wasn't alone.  Any of us can get hurt and need help at any time. but I digress.

KlKaye was the only person I have ever known that pulled off a discount and I can't believe what she went through.  Some were late, some were early and bought a ticket and went ahead, a few bailed w/o telling anybody.  We needed 20, I think we had 19, we went recruiting and found a lost sole who needed a ticket......and this was at LOVELAND.  I can't even imagine trying it at The Gathering.  Savings at Loveland.....$ 1.50 pp.

As it turns out, the group discounts are not all that much better than the Canyon Sports prices.  While it's a great idea,  I think it would be too tough to organize.

Behind the scenes of organizing something like this  ALOT goes on that never reaches the surface.  I know Spindrift has been in the drivers seat like I have and Bushwacker and those that came before us.  I know Summit County like the back of my hand and I still needed the help of others to pull off the LGC events.  Heck.....SugarCube and I threw a catered lunch at Vail and STILL COULDN'T get people there on time.

  Spindrift and I had this conversation at the 08 Utah Gathering and covered a few more areas.  It's hard to understand how tough all of this is, until you have tried to throw one of these events. 

............and.....Spindrift,  it's all skiing to me......at any speed......the shouts the smiles and an open lift is all I need. (well.....good snow helps too)
post #8 of 21
The group discounts are a great idea in concept, but don't work with this type of group because of the reasons stated above.  One of the reasons that Utah was chosen again as Gathering site, is the cost - it's pretty difficult to find anywhere else where non-locals can get by cheaper for total cost of trip.  The great snow and terrain don't hurt either.
post #9 of 21
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Originally Posted by Old Boot View Post

Thanks North that was closer to the type of thing I was looking for LOL. I use to put trips of 10 to 15 people together and the odd time I through my contacts in the ski industry could get a "deal" on all kinds of odd things, u know the if you drop into this shop and tell them you are with the Parker group you might get 10 -20% of gloves and such. anyway was worth asking, looks like you got the right answear
 
The Superpass 4th day free is basically 25% off already. It'll take a quite a bit to beat that.

This actually reminded me the discount is only good till tomorrow the 15th. I'd better make my booking...
post #10 of 21
Another complication that probably makes that effort difficult at this point in the game is that it appears most confirmed attendees have purchased their Superpasses. With Superpasses and other promotional items of similar ilk, they are already discounted significantly. The remaining margin available to shave is limited and probably requires huge volume commitments.
post #11 of 21

Here is an example from Alta's web site.

http://www.alta.com/pages/group.php  Canyon Sports price-  $ 62.00.................A savings of $ 3.00

Snowbird doesn't publish their group discount and Snowbasin requires a PRE-PURCHASE for 25 people.  http://www.snowbasin.com/winter/lift_rates.asp

Very tough to do indeed, and the savings based on Alta's pricing means there are still 2 people sharing a beer at the end of the day.


 

post #12 of 21
btw......for those of you buying your tickets locally when you get there.....be SURE to get a ticket WHICH INCLUDES THE TRAM for Snowbird.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
OK LOL Superpass it is!!
And see youi all have looked into this already in great detail!!!!
LOL thanks again ( Tram ok got it!! )
TOO LATE for the pass, sheesh
(Had pressing family things this week wasnt on line till tonight)
post #14 of 21
I go to Utah every year for 2 weeks, the best deal for lift ticket is at
http://www.canyonsports.com/
The prices are much better than getting the super pass...Just go the night before to pick up tix's for the next day or that morning.
Good luck
I will be in Utah last week of Jan and first week of Feb, I will let you all know how the snow was!
post #15 of 21
One more dumb question? I've never been lucky   enough to  go to utah.Always stayed with friends in carnelian bay on my trips out west.Sea level mid atlantic va /outer banks resident .I can get a RCI timeshare exchange in park city  for the same price as a week in a hotel in midavle right on the busline 7200 . What do you guys think.PC or midvale?Already scored a BYU 2 pack for snowbird for $85
post #16 of 21
Park City's a lot of fun as a town -- more restaurants, etc. -- but it's a bit of a hike from the cottonwood canyon areas. If you're only skiing with the Bears, you're probably better off in Midvale. You can make it work from PC, but it's over an hour drive each way in the best of weather. In nastier weather, it can really take a while and if you want to beat a road closure, it could mean some really early mornings.

--A_0
post #17 of 21
I drive 3 hours for a day trip to Huntah Mountain, and that is a bunny hill compared to out west so an hour is nothing for me.  But you will also be away from the group for apres ski activities.  I don't think you'll want to go out with the gang and eat and have brewskis and then drive on those DARK roads up to PC by yourself.  Also, if the weather is bad you are risking an accident and ruining your trip.
post #18 of 21
Ive read different reviews about the UTA from the past couple seasons. Does anyone have any input so far from this year? Looks like Im going to  stay  in  midvale either national 9/la quinta.
post #19 of 21
Hey y'all,

I am finally poking my head into these threads because I am trying to make it to the Gathering ... I miss skiing with all you old coots!  ha ha

Poor Old Boots got clobbered with this request ... I think the answer is really simple:  there's no margin in lift tickets.  No margin means no discount.  The real money at a ski resort is in lessons, lodging and food/beverage.  Those are the places to hunt for discounts.

I read somewhere about the neckdeep snow in Utah.  My neck gets deeper quicker so I may bring scuba gear!  :)

happy new year!
post #20 of 21
Thread Starter 
LOL ya go figgure ...ya ask a simple dumb question , that I even said was dumb and what did I get ??? An even dumber answear LOL
As far as the scuba gear goes I was already assured that snow snorkles would be availible for folk of my stature. ( oh ya and my wife has flowery skiis for this trip )
LOL and yes to Baked goods and booze!!
post #21 of 21
Hey when is this meetup? I am planning on hitting SLC in Feb would love to join in. I'm no expert though decent intermediate so if you guys are jumping into chutes and stuff at Snowbird I'll cheer you on.....from the Gondola! :>)

Okay just saw the next thread in this section, lol. Answered my question as to when and where. I think I can do that looks like a hoot.
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