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Great Skis for Beaver Creek?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
I've only skied Beaver Creek once in low visibility last year.  This year I'll be skiing there 4 or 5 days a week starting in January.  I started looking for skis that would be ideal for this resort but ended up buying ideal skis for Vail's open terrain instead, for me this was the Dynastar Legend Pro Rider. 

Now I need to find the second ski in my two resort quiver and get it figured out pretty fast without many demos.  For that I'm going to need some recommendations.

As I understand it, Beaver Creek is known for intermediate groomers, steep bumps, tight trees and sometimes deep pow. 

Any suggestions based on the information provided?

Any suggestions based on experience skiing Beaver Creek?


Thanks.
post #2 of 20
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Originally Posted by Canyonlands View Post

As I understand it, Beaver Creek is known for intermediate groomers, steep bumps, tight trees and sometimes deep pow. 


Thanks.



 

That pretty much nails BC.

And you want a ski that does which one well?  We all want a ski that does them all well
post #3 of 20
I've had some of my best skiing days on the Birds of Prey. So, I would get some Hart F17s. They'll rail the groomers too.

Don't even think about using them on a Pow day unless you're a masochist.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/67567/review-2009-hart-f17-mogul-ski

Even though I'm pretty small, I'd probably go with the 185s to get the 27m radius. But I'm old school. If you're more modern, you'll probably want the shorter ones with the 23m radius.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks for letting me know that I'm on track with what the Beav is like. 

There have been a number of east coast trees and bumps skis threads but not many that I've found focused on the west.  From looking in the archives though it seems to me that the Dynastar Legend 8000 has been a commonly recommended ski for this kind of skiing.  If a Dynastar like this is what I'm looking for would the old Legend 8000 (might still be able to find them cheap),  Sultan 80, 85 or Mythic be best for daily trips to the Beav?  If not and another ski profile is better, what profile is it.  The main focus here is trees, groomers, bumps and lighter powder days.  That's in order of importance to me.

Retro, thanks but I think I'm looking for more of a tree ski that I can take into the moguls rather than a mogul ski that I can take into the trees.  I think I"m old school but I'm not 100% sure what that is in terms of skiing.  Longer boards, big turns?

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That pretty much nails BC.

And you want a ski that does which one well?  We all want a ski that does them all well
 
post #5 of 20
There are a lot of 8000s around you can get cheap. I bought a pair about a month ago that had been skied one day for $150 with bindings. If your preference would have been bumps, groomers, little pow, trees I'd have said it's perfect.  The Sultan's (85) getting rave reviews and being wider should handle BC trees better, but the price is going to be higher. Lots of Mythics around too. Probably dropping bumps down the list with a Mythic (haven't skied it).
post #6 of 20
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Originally Posted by Canyonlands View Post


Retro, thanks but I think I'm looking for more of a tree ski that I can take into the moguls rather than a mogul ski that I can take into the trees.  I think I"m old school but I'm not 100% sure what that is in terms of skiing.  Longer boards, big turns?
 

Old school bump skis = long, skinny, straight.

I'd like to be able to give you advise based on experience, but I can't. So, I'll mention the skis that have my interest for the skiing you describe. Elan 888. Fischer Watea 84.
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
With a focus and priority of trees and groomers with big bumps thrown in, what waist size range is the ticket?  75-85?  Is a shorter fat ski a bad idea? Say a waist in the 90s and around 170cm (5'10 @ 165lbs), like the Dynastar Big Trouble, 124/92/114?  

I thought the Mythic might be a bad choice because of the bumps and it has more overlap with my Pro Rider than I'd like.  If anyone has skied the Legend 8000, Sultan 80 and Sultan 85 in these conditions I'd love to hear which you think would be best for this.

I'll add the Elan 888 and Watea 84 to the mix.  Anything from Nordica or Salomon?  I'm assuming that Volkl is out due to the trees and bumps combo.
post #8 of 20
I'd look at mid-80s. So many good skis at that point, just pick a stiffness and sidecut. 


I like twins in the trees and bumps. They ski short on groomers so you give up a little there. The BT is a twin right? 90's puts the bias toward trees and pow and away from groomers and bumps. Your call there. The Elan is not a full twin but a "lifted tail".  Getting good reviews as well.
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
I found older posts from early 2008 where at least a couple of regulars held the Head Mojo 90 in high regard for both trees, bumps and some other all-mountain duties.  Beyond, are you tuned in here?  What ski today would pull in the same accolades? 

Before anyone answers there's one more thing to consider, I'm looking to get the ski for about $500 or less.  I've seen the Dynastar BT, Mojo 90 and Legend 8000 for this.  I also saw older Icelantics on blowout and saw old posts alluding to them being good bump and tree skis.  Why?  Also I just missed a limited time offer on the Head Mission for $300 but couldn't find enough online feedback for it to get me to pull the trigger.  Probably would have worked pretty well.  If it weren't for my price limit on this setup I'd go for the LP 90 but I'd really enjoy scoring a closeout deal in the sub-$500 range.  

Again, for those that aren't reading the whole thread,  what's working these days (that can be found at blow out prices) for daily duty in trees, powdered/unpowdered groomers and big bumps found at Beaver Creek Colorado?  In that order of importance.
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post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks a bunch for checking Steve.  I'm looking to buy new though.  I want to make sure that I'm starting on the ground floor with how the ski was designed to perform, without someone else breaking it in for me. 

I found another thread that doesn't mention mogul fields but does bring up ski choice for the bumps found in tree skiing.
www.epicski.com/forum/thread/53339   Last year's Gotama is another ski to add to the list of possibles.


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Couple of cheap choices from CL in the area

http://rockies.craigslist.org/spo/1507872771.html
http://rockies.craigslist.org/spo/1501820121.html
post #12 of 20
I've got a pair of older gots and as a powder/soft snow ski I applaud them but it baffles me how people talk about them being a great carver. I guess if you only ski 100+ skis they would be a decent groomer ski but why?

The Mojo 90 was similar to the first gen Karma, a decent bump/tree ski. It became the Bridge. I had a Karma, haven't skied the Bridge.

Don't completely write off used skis.  I'm constantly finding skis with 1-3 days on them for sub $300.
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
Right, if I come by something that is exactly what I have in mind and it's used but like new, then I'll consider it.

I'm not really considering the Goat as a viable option and have read that the bridge is a little harsh for continual bump use.  Another ski that's been mentioned in the past is the K2 Extreme which is at a couple of online sources for just under $500 for this year's ski.  I wonder if that's a truly good tight tree ski though. 

I'm putting a premium excellent performance in the trees because I'm somewhat new to tree skiing and I want to limit my odds of ending a day this season with a trip to the hospital.  I'd like a ski that's going to be forgiving enough to allow me to stay fresh and in control.  Hopefully that will translate well to the bumps too. 

Is the K2 Extreme still a favorite for trees, groomers and big bump skiing?
post #14 of 20
The Extreme is the old PE with different graphics. Had a pair, good everywhere, great nowhere. PEs are dirt cheap and last forever. You can get good clean examples for way sub $300.  Even new I would look sub $300 (no bindings). Search for PE reviews and be prepared to read a lot.
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks Steve.  Good info for the tread and I knew they were the current version of the K2 Public Enemy.  Nice to hear from a former owner.

I'm waiting to see if anyone chimes it with skis that have improved over the Extreme or any others listed in this tread, or if one listed already is the ideal ski for the Beav's terrain.

I found last years Dynastar Big Trouble deeply discounted but I don't think I can live with the graphics.  Vegetables?   One reviewer claimed that it was a pretty good tree and bump ski due to the flex in the tail and also a solid performer in crud.


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Originally Posted by stevesmith7 View Post

The Extreme is the old PE with different graphics. Had a pair, good everywhere, great nowhere. PEs are dirt cheap and last forever. You can get good clean examples for way sub $300.  Even new I would look sub $300 (no bindings). Search for PE reviews and be prepared to read a lot.

 
post #16 of 20
When are you going to be here? I've got 8000s, PEs, Gots, and Watea 94s you could try. Need a boot around 315.
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
How would the Prophet Flite in 179 do as a tree, steep bump and some pow ski for me at 5'10" @ 165?  Jim have you skied this one?

Backcountry has the Head Mojo 95 as a possibility as well.

Steve, I'm here in Eagle County all the time.  Thanks much but my boot size is wrong and I can demo most of those from a friend's shop once he starts letting his demo skis out on the hill.  I'm probably going to just buy cheap without trying though in the next few days.
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 

I'm trying to put this package together for ~$700, with local friends that own a shop providing the bindings and mount unless I opt for something like the Titan Atlas which I don't think I can get for $700 anyway.

In no particular order, the following skis are what I have in mind for daily use for Western mountain tree skiing, steep bump runs (not quick zipperline), soft groomers and some powder.  I want the ski to really shine in both the trees and on soft groomers but also be considered "pretty good" in the bumps.

What three work best?  Anything better for the price that hasn't been mentioned below?

2010 K2 Extreme – 179

~$470

 

2009 Fischer Watea 84 – 176 or 184

~$250-$408

 

2009 Dynastar Big Trouble – 176 or 186

~$300-$450

 

2010 Line Prophet Flite – 179

~$450

 

2009 Head Mojo 94 – 180

~$420

 


Anyone tuned in that with a shop that has these?  I'd certainly consider buying from you.  I'm buying this ski without trying them first so I'm relying on reviews and feedback.  I like the sound of the Mojo 94 and like the idea of the Prophet Flite.  I can't find any data on the Flite however.

A couple of the skis listed are at either Evogear or O2 Gearshop.  Are these places legit?

Thanks!

 


Edited by Canyonlands - 12/14/09 at 8:39am
post #19 of 20
Do you know sierra ski?

http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/Fischer-Watea-84-Skis.asp

Evo and )2 are legit.
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Yep Steve that's where I got the low figure listed for the ski.  The high figure was somewhere else that had the 176.  Was waiting to see if SJ chimed in here before pulling the trigger on anything since he's been on at least a few of these skis.

To close this thread out...

It turned out that a friend that owns a shop had something that is sure to get me by for at least a season while I'm figuring the mountains out here. 

I picked up the last iteration of the Dynastar Legend 8000 Fluid w/PX12.  Out the door for less than the cost of the Line Prophet Flite skis alone.

Only problem is that I'm looking like a Dynastar rep. with these and the Pro Riders.
 
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