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2010 Volkl Gotama mounting point

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
Just picked up a pair of 2010 Gotama's 178s because I could not pass up how good the deal was on them.  Yes i know the old gotamas are better do everything skis, but I love a deal.  I plan on mounting some Px12s and hoping i love them.  I want some opinions on mounting point for them.  I am 5'10" 150ish 25 years old and I would say Level 7.  I not really a jibber so I don't need them up at ski center.  I will be using them to do the soft snow better than my IM78s out in Tahoe. Everything I have read so far has said the tails have a tendency to wash out on them so i was thinking of going 1cm up. Thoughts? Thanks everyone!
post #2 of 13
From what you've stated, +1 is great. In fact anything from 0 to +1.5 (or maybe even +2) is probably fine.

As for the tails "washing out", my intuition is that this is not merely a matter of mount point. It is also likely a matter of "style". These skis are full reverse camber. Especially on harder snow, if you try to "drive" too much through the tips you sort of push onto nothing & teeter the skis forward. With the outcome being predictable.

Mount them up where you are planning. If you have not skied any "reverse" skis before,  take a few hours to play around carving on smooth  easy terrain without poles (really - IMO the no poles part of this really helps). It'll tell you a lot about the skis. Play with your stance ranging from way forward to marginally in the back seat. Mostly stay balanced in the middle & use the edges under your feet. The "effective edge" will grow from underfoot as you tip the skis. I'm not saying to to ski in the backseat, but there's a middle ground - with a comfortable loose slightly forward stance - where the ski will tell you it is happy. It'll leave great tracks on groomers when you find that spot... Also play some "falling leaf" and "pivot slip" type games on said smooth easy terrain. They will reveal the "looseness" of the ski & how you can play with pivoting/smearing it around.
post #3 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks Spindrift, you even answered questions I didn't know I had!  You guessed correct, first time on rockered skis.  I will go do what you suggested and play around with the weighting to figure out where it wants to be.  The review I had read about tails washing out were people saying that it was happening to them on steep technical terrain.  I can't wait to go be a gaper as i feel out the gotamas without poles on some groomers.  I don't really care, I will be having too much fun.
post #4 of 13
After, sleeping on it, I should probably clarify what I said just a tiny bit. I doubt anyone skiing the ski at zero is going to see significant tail washout just due to the mount point.

I've used the ski about 4 days varying (with a Schizo) between +.5 and +2. I need to play with it back at zero and way forward - but it has been pretty solid in the whole range I've used it. Not surprisingly, the more forward settings have been a shade friendlier when I've played around with my gaper-switch "technique" on greens. Plus .5 skied fine overall. I've mostly been on +1,  but honestly I'm not sure whether that's because I really like it better or I've just been lazy about playing with the settings...

I think +1 is fine (and would likely be about where I'd tend toward). But the zero mark is probably pretty on target & equally fine for generic unidirectional skiing,

I definitely would not go back from zero.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
Sounds good, thanks for the info.  I keep changing my mind between 0 to +1.  After thinking about the wash-out problem I am starting to wonder if that it is a product of the tails being soft (or at least softer than the rest of the ski) and people getting in the backseat on the steeps (not saying I don't do it).  Skier error is probably a bigger problem than mount point for me on that.  0 to +1 seems ok based on what you have been saying and my infrequent switch riding.
post #6 of 13
 Spindrift! I´m about to order a pair of Gotamas and Schizos. Are there a specific mounting point for Schizos or should I state "Boot center" when I order them? Could you also just give me some words about the low tips that I´m worrying about a little. When it´s not perfect like-snow (groomed or powder), do they have a tendence to get "stuck" in the snow (hope you understand my poor english)? Overall, are you satisfied with the setup with the Schizos?   
post #7 of 13
If you are getting the Schizo's... boot center should be adequate. The flexibility of the binding will enable you to ski as if you had mount points both forward and back from boot center.
post #8 of 13
 What jbprof said. The middle mark in the marked range is gonna be labeled "zero" or "shizo" or similar. Get the schizos centered on that. Gives you 3cm of adjustment in each direction. There are some minor quirks to mounting the schizos (namely a lame -7mm jig offset to line them up properly). If you are doing web ordering (at least in the US), places like Untracked & Evo have this down.

I do not have a ton of time on the schizos - but so far so good.

I have no worries about the tips. It is a similar design to the Kuro (which I have a couple dozen days on). The total rise from underfoot is quite adequate. I actually think the design is a good one. They do the opposite of getting "stuck" - since they rise & float great, but without any "plowing". So if they do go under for a moment, or hit a pile of crap while on edge on the surface, they seem less prone to either diving or deflection. just my .02...
post #9 of 13
Any updates on the Goats/Schizo ?
post #10 of 13

Sorry to bump an old thread, but got some 10/11s 186s that I want to get mounted in the not too distant future (with Dukes). 

 

Mostly being used for EC Tree skiing/slackcountry.  Wondering what kind of flotation I'd be sacrificing by mounting forward. 

 

Never been on a Reverse camber ski before, so not sure what to expect.  Was thinking about going either +1 or +2. 

 

Who's had experiences with this and can comment one way or another.

post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by pearljam09 View Post

Sorry to bump an old thread, but got some 10/11s 186s that I want to get mounted in the not too distant future (with Dukes). 

 

Mostly being used for EC Tree skiing/slackcountry.  Wondering what kind of flotation I'd be sacrificing by mounting forward. 

 

Never been on a Reverse camber ski before, so not sure what to expect.  Was thinking about going either +1 or +2. 

 

Who's had experiences with this and can comment one way or another.

 

on that ski for what you want to do mounting alittle forward should be a good thing.
 

post #12 of 13

Alright.  Pulling the trigger tomorrow.  Going with +1 unless someone suggests something different.  They're going to be a primarily powder day ski, so I don't want to sacrifice too much soft snow performance.


Edited by pearljam09 - 12/14/10 at 7:16pm
post #13 of 13

I bought the Schizo bindings so that I could play with the mounting point. I settled at +6 (bindings centered on +3) and +3 on the Schizos. Flipping one of the skis so that they are tip to tail, the mount is still behind true center. 

 

Pros: Ultra quick in trees and bumps. So very playful that I rarely jump onto my other skis (Atomic Sugar Daddys, K2 Coombas, Atomic Metrons). Holds amazingly on east coast ice. Busts through crud better than any other ski my friends and I have tested. Last year we had 4' of heavy snow. The Gotamas planed to the top. The Coombas did not.

 

Cons: One would not want to ski ice and ultra hard all day, because the under ski width requires a greater edge angle to set up the turn.

 

The skis truely are strong in all conditions and the +6 makes them come alive in short radius turns while not sacrificing mediums and longs.

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