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Size Matters !!

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After skiing on 12 meter 157 SL and 21 meter 176 GS skis for what now seems like forever I decided it was time to pull out the vintage 200cm K2 fours and take them for a ride last night.

They didn't mark radius on skis back then (probably around 1996 model) but because of their minor tip and tail width and extra length I'm estimating them to have a mid to upper 30's radius. My first impressions were of the desire the skis seemed to have to steer and pivot. It took a much high edge angle for the skis to engage and begin to carve than it does on the new skis. Next thing I noticed was my tendency to get ahead of the skis with CM and fall inside. The body expected to skis to arc but the skis were much slower to do so. I quickly learned to cool my jets and wait for the skis to come with me.

But probably the coolest thing I noticed was that while the skis did not want to carve a sharp arc at slow speeds, once up to speed they would bend into a surprisingly tight arc and the extra length provided a refreshingly stable base of support to absorb the turn forces. That feeling of those short skis being over powered at high speed/high edge angles and mushing out was gone, and it was replaced with a feeling that I could go as fast as I wanted and lay it over as far as I cared to without concern that the ski may not be able to handle the forces produced.

Much fun, and also enlightening, to pull out the skis that Bodie rode into skiing history and started the shape ski revolution on and take a trip back in time. While not the hero making at any ability level carvers of today, their dimensions do offer some advantages to those who want to go out and lay down some high speed arcs.

[ February 18, 2004, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: FastMan ]
post #2 of 7
Yup, aren't they nice at high speeds. I try to ride a pair of my old skis once a season both for fun, and as an "equipment reference point" which doesn't change in time to calibrate my current skiing.

Tom / PM
post #3 of 7
What size were Bode's K2 Fours in 1996? They were sub 190's for sure - 184 comes to mind....
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Probably 188, 193, or 198. The Four came in 178, 183, 188, 193, and 198 i think. My guess is that he had one of the upper lengths just because he is a big guy. I have a friend that raced against Bode back then, ill ask him what size skis they were skiing on.
Later
GREG
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Very good on the sizes Heleva, the ones I was on last night were 198, excuse my rounding off. From recollection Bodie was on the 198, certainly not below the 193. I was at the J1&11 Eastern's when the word came across our radios that some kid named Bodie Miller had won JO's by multiple seconds, and on a recreational parabolic ski. It shocked everyone.

At the time everyone was racing on 207 or 210 for GS, no one skied on anything shorter than a 207 so going to something under that was shocking also. The next season I talked my racers into getting on shape skis and it was on either the 190's or high 180's (for the smaller kids). No one went below that.

That same year I tried to talk my better kids into going onto a short as produced shape ski for slalom also, but no one was doing it at the time so they didn't have the courage to be a maverick and give it a try. The rest is history.

[ February 18, 2004, 11:06 AM: Message edited by: FastMan ]
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Originally posted by FastMan:
The next season I talked my racers into getting on shape skis and it was on either the 190's or high 180's (for the smaller kids). No one went below that.
What lengths do the racers tend to ski on now, in the various disciplines?

J2R
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Originally posted by Whygimf:
What size were Bode's K2 Fours in 1996? They were sub 190's for sure - 184 comes to mind....
My understanding, from and inside K2 source back then, is that Bode's Jr National wins in SG, GS, and SL were all on the same pair of bone stock off the rack 188cm K2 Four's.

The rest is history....
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