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post #1 of 25
Thread Starter 
I have been away from skiing for a number of years and just bought all new equipment.   I want to make sure I keep my skis properly waxed and have been looking at info on the web.   I ran across Hertel ski waxes, which claims that its waxes are not temparature specific, I am very interested in using their waxes.

Does anyone have any experience with Hertel products? I will be skiing mostly in the mid-atlantic area, lots of ice, man made snow and crud......
post #2 of 25
Hertel is the only wax that I use -- I don't know if it is the "best, but it works great for me.  I ski in all temperatures/conditions/terrain (where there is snow, of course...)
post #3 of 25
Hertel has temperature specific waxes (see their Spring Solution and they had a cold blue wax at one time too) and a universal product. The universal product is their hot sauce. It is a good all around wax that is reasonably priced- if you do not want to worry about temperature like some racers do. I use it some especially on my pairs I do not use in the race course.
post #4 of 25
I have used Hertle Hot Sauce all temperature wax on all my skis for years, and found it to be excellent.  As with most all temp waxes, performance noticeably breaks down at the hot and cold extremes, but if you want a no-brainer to just use and forget about, Hot Sauces performs well and seemed to last better than others I've tried.  I've noticed that it has been harder to find the last few years.
post #5 of 25
Mudfoot,

Since the original idea of selling the company did not work out for Terry, he has had the web site up and can take orders. I from time to time also see it on Ebay and a few local ski shops sell it, so if I am getting down I select some and make sure I do not run out.
post #6 of 25
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Originally Posted by ssemuski View Post

I will be skiing mostly in the mid-atlantic area, lots of ice, man made snow and crud......
 

For the Mid-Atlantic, especially early season, I find  it works best if you cut it with a harder wax:  Swix blue 1:2 Hertel  or Swix violet  1:1 Hertel work well,  Maplus Race Base Medium 1:3  Hertel works well.    

For glide, the resulting mix is comparable to Toko Dibloc LF straight up.

Later in the season (Valentines' Day through March) straight-up Hertel Super Hot Sauce works nicely; Spring Solution is really optional, Zardoz is really optional.

It is really easy stuff to iron, as it wets out the base very well.   

It is IMO one of the worst waxes to try to cork into a base during travel: it doesn't crayon but forms soapy smears and then lumps up under the cork.   Ugh.
post #7 of 25
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Originally Posted by RShea View Post

Mudfoot,

Since the original idea of selling the company did not work out for Terry, he has had the web site up and can take orders. I from time to time also see it on Ebay and a few local ski shops sell it, so if I am getting down I select some and make sure I do not run out.
 
I used to buy Hertel mail order from Third Hand, now known as Tognar, but they stopped carrying it about 4 years ago and replaced it with Dominator Zoom.  The Zoom seems to work as well, but it wears off faster.
post #8 of 25
 I bought some Hertel. I will use it. However, for really cold, windy, facemask, abrasive boilerplate conditions when you get off the SRV White Heat Quad and go to your left, nothing beats a nice  Holmenkol Ultramix Blue, with some Swix CH3 Cold Powder or Toko Nord Lite X Cold Powder thrown in along with some Fluoro of some kind. Did I mention Toko workshop Moly/Graphite as well? I buy from Alpine Racing Technology, Racewax and Slidewright. They all have treated me very well.

Oh yeah, make sure your edges are sharp as well. 
Edited by Vinstant - 12/10/09 at 8:35am
post #9 of 25
We use Super Hotsauce for all our freeride skis and the FC739 for all our race skis. The only time I do anything else is when the snow is really cold and crunchy, then I blend 1:1 with Maplus Universal Green.

Their website is here.
post #10 of 25
Thread Starter 

Thanks to everyone for your reply, I think  will give Hertel Hot Sauce a try for general skiing.    I really appreciate the responses.

 

post #11 of 25
I also use their all temp wax.  It works sufficient for most of my skiing. 
post #12 of 25
I bought some Hertel Racing 739 to use as an all temperature race wax last season. I guess I was hoping for too much. It was not as fast as the TOKO, Swix or Kuu products that I was using before. It has great staying power but I found it to be slower than real race wax in all conditions, but for recreational use it's great stuff!
post #13 of 25
Spring solution is still all temperture.  The only difference is they added an additive for the pollen that falls on the ice during spring time.

Here is what the website say:

"Spring skiing is great with Hertel Spring Solution ski wax! Apply Spring Solution hot or cold and go have fun! It is an all temperature ski wax that works in all of the highly variable springtime conditions. WHAT IT DOES: Spring Solution converts the sticky brown stuff (pollen) that collects on the springtime snow into slick controllable skiing wax. Spring Solution is also Fluorinated for the ultimate rejection of the elements that cause skis to run slow. Try our Spring Solution snowboard  wax today and take the JERK out of your skiing!!  All of your ski buddies will be wondering why they get stuck in the flats while you pass them by cruising smoothly.

Spring Solution ski wax was developed by first understanding what the brown substance was on the snow in the spring. Our ski testing labs confirmed that it was "pollens" deposited by nature. We developed a springtime ski wax system to combat the pollen.  Hertel invented the first and only real Fluorinated ski wax which is interactive with the elements while skiing. Nothing else compares."



 
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Originally Posted by RShea View Post

Hertel has temperature specific waxes (see their Spring Solution and they had a cold blue wax at one time too) and a universal product. The universal product is their hot sauce. It is a good all around wax that is reasonably priced- if you do not want to worry about temperature like some racers do. I use it some especially on my pairs I do not use in the race course.
 


Vincent
post #14 of 25
Where are you located?    Sounds like you get cold dry snow & not a high proportion of manmade. 

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Originally Posted by Speeder View Post

I bought some Hertel Racing 739 to use as an all temperature race wax last season. I guess I was hoping for too much. It was not as fast as the TOKO, Swix or Kuu products that I was using before. It has great staying power but I found it to be slower than real race wax in all conditions, but for recreational use it's great stuff!
post #15 of 25

When you guy learn to use Dominator Hyperzoom. I have been on this wax for over 12 years, I have tried Hertel all temp and Spring Solution, I still come back the Hyperzoom. If it's really warm I'll add a little Dominator yellow or if it's real cold, some of there HX cold powder.

 

Contact Tom from Dominator on this site. He offered a deal a month or so ago. PM DominatorTom

post #16 of 25

I use the FC739 and love it as I don't have to worry about temps or conditions (less work).  Based on a price/performance/versitility issue nothing beats it.

 

Anytime I wax some elses skis they want me to do it again when I use the FC739.  Guess I got to charge money for it to buy more wax.

 

Nice stuff Terry!

post #17 of 25
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Where are you located?    Sounds like you get cold dry snow & not a high proportion of man made. 
 

Sorry for the delay in replying...I used it in Vermont for DH training and a race Jan in 2011, temp was 24-30F the track was run in natural snow (maybe over an artificial base). 2 secs diff between training ET and race over a 60 sec course. Training skis were Atomic DH 211cm, race skis were Atomic SG 210cm. The difference in speed between training and race when exiting the high speed section was breath taking to say the least. Maybe for a GS or SL it would be acceptable but for a SG or DH I'm going to stay with "Big Name Wax Company K".

post #18 of 25

I've been using their "Super Hot Sauce" on our recreational skis and "FC739" on my sons race skis for about five years with excellent results.  I do agree, however, that at temperature extremes (less than 0, greater than 30,) using a temperature specific wax would (probably) yield better results.  From a price point of view, even though "FC739" is expensive, it's a fraction of the cost of other "big name" high fluro waxes.  Hertel wax is now available on Amazon.com, by the way.

post #19 of 25
It's hard to beat this wax for performance, price and ease of use. Goes on easily, off easily, can rub it in a pinch (not the nicest to rub) and glides very well in ost conditions. I tested about 7 other kinds of waxes, nothing comes close, overall. For cold, under -15C get a specific cold wax, like swix cold or kuu green or whatever.

Their fc739 is a bit more unfriendly to apply and scrape, but does seem to last longer.

Highly recommended. Their website had the lowest shipping rates as far as i know, by the way.
post #20 of 25

Supposedly the fc739 got reformulated Jan 2012 to be lower flouro, higher surfacants; with a result to be more useful on more varied terrain and conditions for the rec skiers and not just prepared courses.  So they look to be focusing more to capture the mid-range rec skier now who want to step up from the cheapest wax.  The real racers still can buy the high end $99/oz white gold stuff.

 

I just picked up a brick of fc739, will see how it goes; although I never tried any of the old formula to compare against.

post #21 of 25
Thry have 20% off today and tomorow, im getting some more
post #22 of 25
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Thry have 20% off today and tomorow, im getting some more
Who are you referring to?
post #23 of 25
This is the Hertel Wax thread, so I thought it was implicit: Hertel wax. The coupon code is WAXIT. The best wax I've used! Go for it !
post #24 of 25
I'm assuming he means you need to get it on Hertel's site, as opposed to Amazon or Togner.
post #25 of 25
Done and done!
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