Good morning Wigs--and All!
What a disappointment. After four more days away, working with eager, dedicated instructors spending their own money and time and efforts to become more effective teachers and better skiers, I return to see this same tired old discussion repeated for the X-teenth time.
Wigs, I can't argue with you. SCSA has shown zero ability to learn--every time he posts one of his unfounded, baseless brain farts, he stimulates a multi-page series of honest replies proving the absurdity of his point of view. That's all well and good--it's what discussion forums do best. But then a little time passes, and he goes right back and repeats his same statements. That's what "unable to learn" means.
We all know that the "regulars" here have learned not to pay him much attention, but I'm with you that, in the interest of any newcomers, we have an obligation to refute his rants with facts--the same ones, over, and over, and over....
It is tedious, SCSA. Learning--anything--means first allowing yourself to learn. It means allowing yourself to change, and to accept alternative viewpoints. You yourself, by your own admission, had a great time last weekend, skiing with among others, several instructors. They GAVE you their time. They GAVE you the opportunity to be videoed and critiqued--and you didn't allow it. And then you turn around and repeat this inane drivel, this diatribe against the chosen profession of those you so recently took advantage of.
I have also done the same for you, at your request--no, at your DEMAND. You asked me to ski with you. I did. You asked me to critique you. I did. How did you thank me? By criticizing me and publicly berating me, my profession, and my colleagues.
There's nothing wrong with ignorance--we're all ignorant of the things we don't know! Admitting a degree of ignorance is the first--and perhaps biggest--step in learning. But a refusal to accept new ideas, an unwillingness to consider facts, a restatement of the same idea, once absolutely refuted, both maintains, and proves, incurable ignorance.
SCSA, no one can help you if you don't let them! You have clearly and repeatedly demonstrated that, no matter what someone says, and no matter what evidence is presented to the contrary, you will hear and believe whatever you want. That's your prerogative--and it sheds considerable doubt on the validity of your little chairlift "surveys.". But when your misinformed fantasy world has any chance of misguiding someone ELSE, we must draw the line. Those of us who care about truth have no choice but to repeat ourselves, not for your benefit, but for those earnestly hoping to learn something.
For the record, as many others have stated above, the ski school that has "no training," with "no direction," is EXTREMELY rare, if not non-existent. It certainly isn't Vail. Yes, there are many challenges in ski instruction, as with most industries--we've been down this road too. If indeed those instructors you "spoke" with exist, they are part of the problem, but they won't last. They certainly aren't representative of the instructors who participate here at EpicSki, as seen above. Yes, an environment that allows competition and "private" instruction could very well help--I'd love to see it--and we've discussed THAT here too. Yes, there are some incompetent instructors out there, just as there are incompetents at every other profession. That doesn't mean that hiring a plumber is the "worst thing you can do" when you have a leak, or that the services of a physician are the "worst product you can buy" at a hospital. There are lots of quacks out there, but that shouldn't prevent someone in bad mental health from seeking help....
AC--I'm sorry, but I'm tired of having to repeat the same old facts and arguments every time SCSA plays with his keyboard. As you know, I've argued against banning SCSA from the forum in the past, because if nothing else, he stimulates discussion. But until he comes up with something new to say, I'm with Wigs and many others here. I'm sorry to post this negative comment, but really, it's time. Many, many instructors have unselfishly volunteered their time here, and if I do say so, contributed no small degree of value to the EpicSki "experience." Why must we put up with SCSA's continued, unfounded insults?
Sorry SCSA. I've been in your corner for a long time, despite your ingrateful hostility and your ignorant, time-wasting, misinformed crap. I still would be, if I saw any evidence that you could contribute something positive to the forum. I still would be if I thought that you could learn. I've given you every opportunity, but my own ability to learn requires me to fact the facts....
"Something positive" would include anything NEW. It would include ANY well-thought-out, well-argued, fact-supported opinions, no matter what those opinions might be. You could state that the best skiers wear their skis backwards, or that all ski instructors are from Jupiter, and it will be welcome as long as you support it with a better argument than "because XX says so." And it will be welcome only if you are willing to discuss, point-by-point, any opposing views and consider any contrary evidence. That's what "discussion" means.
But "something positive" does NOT include simply repeating your rants and acting as if contrary evidence has never been presented. Get a new idea. Get a clue. Or get lost.
Please think about this, SCSA. Either join us in an honest, continued effort to learn and explore this wonderful sport, or go express your frustrations and hostilities somewhere else. I'm still here to help, whenever you choose to accept it. Until then....
<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ February 02, 2002 10:03 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Bob Barnes/Colorado ]</font>