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23mm carve plate: too much lift?

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I picked up a used pair of 194 Stockli Stormrider XLs (2005; 116-75-102) a few weeks ago.  I was planning to mount them with Tyrolia d10 FF17s on what I thought were 13mm Tyrolia plates that I've had in my garage for a year or two.  I go to grab the plates and -- surprise! -- they're actually 23mm plates.  I.e., they would provide almost an inch of additional stand height, on top of the 17.5mm Tyrolia toe and 21mm heel.

It looks like Tyrolia has stopped making 23mm plates, at least for separate sale.  These days, they only sell 9mm and 13mm plates.  I figure that's because they stopped selling, but I'm not sure whether they stopped selling because they were too much lift or because they just fell out of style.

So I've got a dilemma.  Mount the Stocklis with the 23mm plates, mount with the 9mm plates I was planning to mount on my 190 Moment Rubies (139-112-130), or mount them flat?

I should back up for a second and say that as far as I can figure out, I like lift, even on wider skis.  I have P14 Lifters on one pair of 188cm PM Gear Bro Models (99mm waist) and Marker Dukes on the other pair.  I didn't like my 191 Scott P4s last year, and I think it's partially because I mounted them flat.  That's why I'm thinking hard about putting the 9mm lift on the Rubies.

The other factor is that the Stocklis have been drilled twice, and using a plate would help avoid hole conflicts.

Thoughts?  (Preferably contradictory?)
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Evening input bump....
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The most lift I have on any of my setups is 55mm on my Elan S12 skis (Tyrolia bindings on freeflex plate on top of the integrated "platform" they have).  These skis are 67mm underfoot and this is a large amount of lift.  

My recommendation is to calculate exactly how much lift you'll end up with (from the bottom of the ski to the bottom of your boot sole) and then try not to exceed 55mm.  I believe 55mm still may be the FIS regulation amount, but I haven't checked in a few years.

BTW - I have two sets of those 23mm Tyrolia plates gathering dust (and brand new).  If anyone wants mine they can have them (just need to pay for shipping).
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IMO, the extra lift on the XL's would be great, as they are really just a "wide" GS type ski, they will be carving machines with the 23mm lifts.  This is of course assuming that these would be your groomer/hard snow ride, and even if you would use them off piste, the risers wouldn't hurt anything.  Save the extra drilling.
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Originally Posted by Noodler View Post

The most lift I have on any of my setups is 55mm on my Elan S12 skis (Tyrolia bindings on freeflex plate on top of the integrated "platform" they have).  These skis are 67mm underfoot and this is a large amount of lift.  

My recommendation is to calculate exactly how much lift you'll end up with (from the bottom of the ski to the bottom of your boot sole) and then try not to exceed 55mm.  I believe 55mm still may be the FIS regulation amount, but I haven't checked in a few years.

BTW - I have two sets of those 23mm Tyrolia plates gathering dust (and brand new).  If anyone wants mine they can have them (just need to pay for shipping).

Good recommendations.  Thanks.

Out of curiosity, what are your Tyrolia plates made of?  GFK or something else?


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Originally Posted by coolhand View Post

IMO, the extra lift on the XL's would be great, as they are really just a "wide" GS type ski, they will be carving machines with the 23mm lifts.  This is of course assuming that these would be your groomer/hard snow ride, and even if you would use them off piste, the risers wouldn't hurt anything.  Save the extra drilling.

My thought exactly.  And because of the location of the holes on the plates, I'd avoid conflict with the previous mounts.

(I confess that the flat option was kind of a straw man.)
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 I'm not sure what the plates are made of, but they are light.  Some kind of plastic composite I guess.
post #7 of 8
 Didn't Highwaystar have some significant plates on his skis?
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I believe that HS did.  No input from him yet, though.
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