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I am a Master skier (local, regional, national) 47y, 6foot2 and 93kg. My current skis are 2007 Blizzard Magnesium GS 185 r=21m. Now Im looking at buying new skis but my local rep only has new old 2009 stock in the length of 182cm r=24. I compared them to my current skis and they are offcourse a little bit shorter but the main difference is that the new ones are much wider under foot and they are much much stiffer. I know that the skis should be 186 or even 192 but compared to my current softer skis the difference maybe is not that dramatic. And especially for our club and reginoal competitions full size GS skis would be too stiff. Any thaughts?
post #2 of 11
My 2 cents: So long as your not planning on doing any SG with them you should be all right.  It makes sense that they would be a little stiffer to go along with the higher turn radius.  You could probably get used to the stiffness.  The length difference is only 3 cm shorter than what you have now.  I wouldn't sweat it, unless you felt your self having a desire for a longer ski.  The short one should work fine an a groomed course.
post #3 of 11
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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

I am a Master skier (local, regional, national) 47y, 6foot2 and 93kg. My current skis are 2007 Blizzard Magnesium GS 185 r=21m. Now Im looking at buying new skis but my local rep only has new old 2009 stock in the length of 182cm r=24. I compared them to my current skis and they are offcourse a little bit shorter but the main difference is that the new ones are much wider under foot and they are much much stiffer. I know that the skis should be 186 or even 192 but compared to my current softer skis the difference maybe is not that dramatic. And especially for our club and reginoal competitions full size GS skis would be too stiff. Any thaughts?

I've heard really great things from a local masters racer about the 185 27m Blizzard. He is about your size and tried the 192 last year and didn't care for it as much... Having actually skied a lot of stock GS skis in the last few years (old 21m skis and 23m and 27m models), newer GS skis are a very different ski from older 21m skis. I actually prefer having a longer ski with the new larger radii - when you have no length and no shape there isn't a lot to work with when it comes time to turn. For this reason I actually bumped up to a 188 Fischer this year (and remember, I'm much smaller than you are). So, if I were you I'd request that your rep find you a soft flexing 185(6?) or no deal. I don't think you will be happy on the 182 because stability will be a huge issue for someone your size (remember, that ski is being built with women in mind). If you were my size I'd say go for it, but you're a big guy. With the larger radii, shorter skis actually don't turn as well as the longer skis. The short skis feel a bit unstable (IMO). If that 182 were a 21m ski... I'd say go for it though - the little bit of extra shape makes a ski much more stable.
post #4 of 11
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Thanks for your input guys. Two diverging opoinions, great . I have no chanse of getting longer skis at this time. Our agreement covers only certain models that they have in stock and it would become very expensive to get whatever does not fall into this scope. So its eather sticking to my old skis, settling for the 182's or handing out a lot of money for brand new ones in the length of 185. Since they dont have any in stock Im also faced with delivery time uncertaincy. For this reason I will get the 182's and if I dont like them I will have to think about ordering new longer ones. Or wait untill the rep gets skis that can be made available to me at low cost.

Helluvas input on the skis being easier to turn if longer is interesting. After the turn radius change manufacturers had to think of other ways of making the skis turn and did that by tweeking the flex. And with a longer ski this feature is easier to design and manufacture and also in practise to bend on snow. This is only theory from my side because I have not much experiance with the new GS skis. I have one pair of old soft new shape retired FIS racing r>27 191 Head's though that were hard to turn but after adding some canting under the plate these skis started to turn much easier. Offcouse. The shorter length simply has to be checked out I think. If they are unstable then i have to look into other options. Im not really conserned with these being womens skis because my old skis were also womens skis and they worked fine when new. And women ski fast as hell today although they are not as heavy as I am. Still, they ski much faster and they create a lot more turning forces. The note on them possibly being wobbly and unstable is a good point though.
post #5 of 11
Haven't skied the Blizzards, but here's my experience with Atomic, going from a 181cm 21m GS ski to a 183cm 23m GS model (both FIS skis).

The 23m ski is even more stable at speed than the older 21m ski, and not any harder to turn. You described the new Blizzards as noticeably stiffer, so their product progression sounds similar to Atomic or Fischer.  This would indicate to me that the new 24m ski could be a good update for you.  At your size, you could probably do just fine on a 27m ski, but I don't think you would feel out of place on the 24m ski.
post #6 of 11
Huh...   I didn't expect that from Heluva... 

Maybe I should try the 185.   I have the 182, and it's been great.  I'm 5'10, 185.  I've never really felt like it's unstable.
post #7 of 11
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Huh...   I didn't expect that from Heluva... 

Maybe I should try the 185.   I have the 182, and it's been great.  I'm 5'10, 185.  I've never really felt like it's unstable.

It's definitely worth a shot I think. Race skis really come down to personal preference of course (I mean, you used to like Volkls ), but I was on a 27m 183 Fischer for the past two seasons and it lacks the beefiness of a ski of the same size with more shape. I was left craving more length in a lot of situations.

I will say though, that one of my favorite GS skis of all time is the 21m 186 Nordica GSR. That ski is $$$$.
post #8 of 11
I think you'll be fine with the 2009 182s.  One of my Masters teammates/coaches also races FIS, and I think he's down to something like 60 poiints in SL, is easily the best techie in Rocky Mountain Masters.  He's been on Blizzard for about three seasons.  Last year, he had a pair of 192s and a pair of 182s, and he used the 182s most of the time for Masters GS.  Occasionally he used the 192s for FIS.  This year, he got a pair of 185s that he's going to use most of the time. 

I was using 2006 Head 185 cm. I GS RDs with around a 24 meter radius, I think.  Last year, I decided to go back to Atomic for everything, so I got two pairs of race stock 186 GS12s, 27 meter radius.  Big mistake.  It wasn't so much the sidecut or length, it was that the forebody was so beefy, I just couldn't get it to bend without all kinds of unnatural acts.  I sold both pairs and went to a 183 GS12, 24 something meter radius, which is basically a women's WC GS ski.  Just fine for Masters GS.  This year, I got a pair of the 184 cm, 26 meter sidecut D2 GSs, and they, too, are just fine...

post #9 of 11
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Thanks for the feedback guys. I got the 182's and put marker plates and bindings on. Now Im waxing. Tomorrow I will be off for a few days of skiing in Levi and I will take these new skis with me. I will get back with feedback after the tripp.
post #10 of 11
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Im back. In Levi we had perfect conditions for SL and GS carving this weekend. Minus 3degC no wind and no crowd. Flat groomed slopes in the morning. Still flat and groomed in the evening. The 2009 model Blizzard 182 GS performed great and was much more rigid and stable compared to my old skis even if they were 3cm shorter. And they turned nicely once up to speed. Not much turning at walking speeds. One big difference that suits me very well is that the new skis are wider under foot. That since I have a big foot. Less problems with boot out or soft snow sink through.

I swapped the original plate for a Marker one since I use Marker bindings and like the ide of pimping my ride. I also added 5mm of lift under both heel- and toe peace. Bindings were placed some mm forwards of the boot centermark. Did not have time to take them to a racing shop for a base level but the stock tuning felt great. I'll put in 0,5deg bottom bevel shortly just to be on the safe side.
post #11 of 11
Sounds like you have a winner....



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Originally Posted by tdk6 View Post

Im back. In Levi we had perfect conditions for SL and GS carving this weekend. Minus 3degC no wind and no crowd. Flat groomed slopes in the morning. Still flat and groomed in the evening. The 2009 model Blizzard 182 GS performed great and was much more rigid and stable compared to my old skis even if they were 3cm shorter. And they turned nicely once up to speed. Not much turning at walking speeds. One big difference that suits me very well is that the new skis are wider under foot. That since I have a big foot. Less problems with boot out or soft snow sink through.

I swapped the original plate for a Marker one since I use Marker bindings and like the ide of pimping my ride. I also added 5mm of lift under both heel- and toe peace. Bindings were placed some mm forwards of the boot centermark. Did not have time to take them to a racing shop for a base level but the stock tuning felt great. I'll put in 0,5deg bottom bevel shortly just to be on the safe side.
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