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post #61 of 76
>>>Everyone here seems to be under the mistaken belief that pre-releases are the fault of having binding DIN set too low and that they can be fixed by cranking up the setting. <<<

I'm not everyone, have you read my posts?

post #62 of 76
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I have a tendency to ski like a maniac kangaroo thats had 12 cups of coffee on the lift... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And your problem with that would be?
post #63 of 76
Thread Starter 

Oh, I guess if anyone knows, it would be you!!

Do maniacal kangaroos really drink coffee on the lifts???

post #64 of 76
No Way!

I'm certainly NOT going to alter my skiing style to accomidate a recomended DIN of 8. On an 8, I release every run. I ski a 12 normally, and have no problem releasing normally. I ski FAST, and I ski WELL, and usually ski FAST and WELL on rough terrain.

Now. Who else normally skis fast and well on rough terrain? Racers - icy ruts? Competitive Mogul Skiers - bumps? Competitive Freeskiers in crud? Hummmm... Good skiers are usually fairly smooth on their skis, but there is no way they can track rough terrain perfectly - they power through it. On top off that, would like a ski to come off at 80 mph, or above a cliff band?

I give you one guess what kind of din's these people ski. Definitely not "level 3". It is just not physicaly possible to do high level, aggressive skiing on that kind of DIN, the forces generated are WAY too high.

If that's not enough for you, why do many manufactures make two or three levels of race stock bindings, some of which go up to a DIN of 30! They must be for those WC hacks who aren't "quiet" on their skis!

On a side note I personally have one pair of 11-17 Din Salomons (set to 14), on my GS skis. Based on the build quality (ALL metal), I wouldn't buy a pair of "commercial" race bindings for more than $150, since I know a shop where race stock salomons can be had for ~$230.

Linda - Just crank them up (properly) until you stop pre-releasing, but can still release in a crash.

post #65 of 76
Sorry to bring this up, but what exactly did you do to your bindings? How much did you crank them from the Chart setting? Describe your fall again and did the ski come off? I'm just hoping that by analyzing this discussion now in light of your (hopefully not too serious) injury that we can all learn. I don't want my ski coming off when I don't want it to, but moreso I don't want to get injured.
post #66 of 76
Thread Starter 
uuummmm...i knew this would come up...

well, the week before I had them at 6.5 and that is when i originally fell...I had them back down to six (where Ive had them for two years) when I fell at SR and did my knee, so I dont think it had anything to do with bindings.

I honestly dont remember how I fell, the bindings did not release, but an observer said that I didn't even fall hard enough for them to release. It was a blur, I had a knee one minute, and the next I had a lump of jello joining the two parts of my leg.
I think I more or less sat down, my knee came up around my ear somewhere....
post #67 of 76
Did you sit more straight back as opposed to falling on your side? It could have been a "Phantom Foot" injury as described by the Vermont Ski Safety people and not to be confused with a PMTS technique. That's one reason I ordered the ACL Awareness Video from these folks, but I have not received it yeat (about 5 weeks and counting). At least it doesn't sound like your binding tweaks had any relation, so your mind can rest easier. Again, best wishes for a speedy recovery.
post #68 of 76
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Pierre eh!:
I have my DIN set at 6.5 on the toe and 7.5 on the heel. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

Why is it that the shop always set the toe and heel DIN the same? Why would you want to make your toe piece release easier than the heel? Does this prevent certain sort of injury better?

post #69 of 76
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by LindaA:
AS this thread progresses, Im starting to realize just that...I, at 125, should not be coming out of them at a setting of 6, at least not at the freqency i was...at least during bumps and spring conditions.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
My opinion:
I weigh twice what you do. I think I could probably ski bumps and spring conditions all day on DIN 6 and not walk out very often. I walk out of my bindings when I'm forcing the ski instead of letting it make my turns for me. If you can't self-release out of the toe and heel, don't touch the DIN settings. You're trading off safety against retention and you really should ski your bindings on the lightest setting that's not annoying to you.

I'm willing to walk out once in a while to get the added safety of skiing my bindings at a light setting (what the chart says). I do crank up the setting on the heels of my powder skis but I try to leave the toes light.

If you're racing, doing bump contests, or skiing steep no-fall terrain where walking out can be disasterous, by all means crank 'em up. Somehow, I don't think that's the kind of skiing you do.
post #70 of 76
>>>I honestly dont remember how I fell, the bindings did not release, but an observer said that I didn't even fall hard enough for them to release. <<<

Linda, slow, knee wrenching falls can happen without releasing your binding.

Mostly I've seen it with novices, who, when faced with losing balance to the side, will allow their knee to touch snow first, it digs in and stops while the rest of the skier still moves forward, the tracking ski prevents the rest of the leg from stopping with the knee and there you have it.

Though the knee may only dig in for a moment, it is enough to do the damage. Bindings release best with a shock and least with a slow twisting force.

post #71 of 76
What is the right way to fall - Has there been a thread on this?


Accidents don't just happen. They must be carelessly planned.
post #72 of 76
Thread Starter 
very possible...I was being EXTREMELY tentative because I had hurt my knee the week before, and with the new boots I had radically altered my stance...felt really weird. was a very soft fall...
post #73 of 76
"No Way!
I'm certainly NOT going to alter my skiing style to accomidate a recomended DIN of 8. On an 8, I release every run. I ski a 12 normally, and have no problem releasing normally. I ski FAST, and I ski WELL, and usually ski FAST and WELL on rough terrain."

Hey, thanks for backing me up RedSled/Kevin! I was feelin' alone out here. Its good to know that other people out there know what I'm talking about!! If you ski hard and fast and are tearing it up, you gotta have that ski on or your gonna find trouble quick. Its all up to the skier, his style and his expierence.
post #74 of 76
DIN adjustments? I just tighten those leather thongs down a bit harder to make my 12 foot hickory sticks really rock.

If I need bullet proof performance a couple of roofing nails through the leather sole of the boot...

Sorry...too much cube. :
post #75 of 76
Like others have said, you don't need a hard fall to hurt the knee. I've torn both ACLs , right one in 1989 and left one in 1999. When I tore the left one I did not fall and was not even moving. I was skiing with my 4 year old daughter with her right in front of me between my skis, I was holding her waist. This way she "skis" while I control speed and directions. Well, we got going a bit fast so I decided to stop and regroup. After we stopped, she gently fell forward onto the snow in front of me and I needed to pick her up. I'm now in a wedge so we don't move, most of my weight on the left leg. I lower my body at the knees and waist to pick her up, I start standing up and POP! Tore both the ACL and MCL. The problem was my body was in the worst possible position (hips below knees, weight back, knees torqued) puting way too much stress on the knee. Having my binding set at 2 would not have helped in this situation.

This is how many people blow out their ACL when falling. They're falling backwards putting their hips lower than the knee and weight back. They then try to recover by straightening/standing back up. If you get into this situation, resist the urge to recover. Just go down and save the knees.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 29, 2001 02:10 PM: Message edited 1 time, by mogulos ]</font>
post #76 of 76

I think it's the opposite. Legal for you to tweak your own bindings (if you dare) but some shops refuse to do anything that doesn't follow the height/weight/ability charts in order to avoid lawsuits, in fact the employees are specifically forbidden to do so.

That way no member of the public who requests the wrong setting and gets hurt can sue (which even signing a release form won't prevent). I know 'cause I've asked...

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