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New Atomics still have concave tips?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I know Atomics had a purposely built, slight concavity, under the fore part of the running surface. Do the new ones have this?
post #2 of 19
Heh...   yeah...   that was done "purposely"...

Hopefully they got that fixed by now.
post #3 of 19
I think it's less of an "I meant to do that" and more of a "We wish it didn't happen, but it's a result of the manufacturing process/materials that can't be helped, and has proven to be a non-issue as long as the base @ a half-inch along each edge is flat."
post #4 of 19
I have heard it both ways, planned and a manufacturing problem.

I had three pairs stone ground a couple of seasons ago and the tech at a good local shop took much of of the concavity out.  My Metron 10's and my wife's Balanze both sucked. Just felt dead.  My SL-9 seemed fine.  I scraped in some concavity and now they hook--need to work on that.  I moved my wife's Alpine bindings to a different pair of the same ski with the factory tune and she was instantly happy.

Last year I mounted up an Atomic made Dynamic cheater GS ski and found it had really poor tip engagement and wandered.  I checked the base and found it flat, so I metal scraped in some concavity.  I now love those skis.  Make of that what you will.
Edited by newfydog - 12/1/09 at 4:17pm
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 
Strange....
The shop I bought my Metron 10s from swore it was purposely in there, (?). I really like those skis, (I've never had the ground out)!!!

The reason I asked is I just ordered a pair of Atomic Blackeye Ti's and do most of my own tuning. I was wondering what to expect when these skis arrive!
Thanks all!
CB
post #6 of 19
I have had Metron 10 (hugely concave at either end), and have just upgraded to Atomic Blackeye Ti 2010;s. These are dead flat whole length

Blackeye angles 1,3.

Ski nicely, you will notice the larger turn radius and the damping. They dont ring like the metrons when they encouter slop. Just as fast edge to edge despite the extra 5mm

And just like the Metrons the marked ski centre point is about 1" too far back, move your boots forwards to bring the ski alive more
post #7 of 19
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by madmole View Post

I have had Metron 10 (hugely concave at either end), and have just upgraded to Atomic Blackeye Ti 2010;s. These are dead flat whole length

Blackeye angles 1,3.

Ski nicely, you will notice the larger turn radius and the damping. They dont ring like the metrons when they encouter slop. Just as fast edge to edge despite the extra 5mm

And just like the Metrons the marked ski centre point is about 1" too far back, move your boots forwards to bring the ski alive more
Thanks! Is moving boots forward something I should suggest to the shop I take them to to have set up initially? Or, can I do it myself, after the mount, (I bought them online).
Thanks
CB
post #8 of 19
Binidng position is a very individual adjustment. Everyone's ski style and physiology is different. I hate skis mounted forward. So just because madmole likes them forward does not mean that will work for you. Boot forward lean, binding delta and zeppa delta
also all play into fore/aft position.

Depending on what binding you use on them (You may want to try Atomic Race Series or Neox) can be moved for and aft as an integral part of the setup.

The Neox almost has infinite adjustment As long as the boot sole length numbers on the connection band added together equal double your boot sole length  you are good to go. (Within reason)  For example if you wear a 310mm boot and you want to move your boot forward 10 cm you would set the toe band to 32.0 and the heel band to 30.0 (multiply by 10 to get actual mm) so 320 + 300 = 620 (Normally you would set your boot to 31 toe and 31 heel )again muttiplied by 10 is 310+310 = 620 

then there are also 2 additional adjustments for forward or centered and all the above apllies still. The only thing limiting you is the detent for the AFD and heel piece. but you still have a ton of latitude!

Race 6.14 5 different postions 

You can easily find what postion works for you with some trial and error.  

Stockli's for example are mounted (factory Mount point) much farther forward then Atomic or Head or many other Brands (K2. Volkl) At least their factory mount point on the Laser slalom is)  I hated the ski and sold them . Didn't want to remount the plate and binding. One of my other friends absolutley loved that ski where & I hated it! Placed directly  next to my (same size Atomic SL11 mounted as prescirbed the Stokcli w/Marker comp 14 eps on marker WC slslom plate were a good 20-25mm ahead) I double checked the Stockli mounting point with another shop and they were spot on. We got the jig out and measured them per the Stockli manual and they were mounted correctly for factory spec.
Edited by Atomicman - 12/2/09 at 9:56pm
post #9 of 19

I agree with Atomicman.  I ski all my Atomics center or back, but never forward.

post #10 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies! These skis come with the Atomic XTO12 binding. Since I got them online, I'm going to take them to a good local shop for mount. They used to sell Atomic, but do not anymore, but I trust them to do the right thing.
CB
post #11 of 19
The XTO is a Salomon binding. I am really out of touch with the newer Atomic gear as I switched to Head a few years back now, so i don't know if any other binding is even an option on the Ti. But i do believe there is no fore/aft adjustment capability like on the Race Series and Neox series.
post #12 of 19
The XTO are really really adjustable with no tools. Just lift up a lever and slide. They are even marked for boot length

Slide front and rear to your boot length mark, clip in boot and check tension arrow is withing 3 marks at heel. Job done

Atomic always place their ski centre mark about 1" behind the true ski centre. I find That using the true ski centre makes them far more positive. I was cambell balanced and this confirmed the further forward position for me

But with the XTO's you can change the position in seconds, so dead easy to try forward or backwards positions, even easier to adjust than the NEOX and can be done out on the hill with tyour gloves on
post #13 of 19
I stand corrected! So there you go,  no need to mount anywhere specific, I believe it is on a rail system so you can adjust what works for you. 
Edited by Atomicman - 12/3/09 at 11:10am
post #14 of 19
Yep, XTO are rebranded Salomon Z10 bindings on a rail thats been modified by atomic to have the lift up Slide lock
post #15 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman View Post

 I am really out of touch with the newer Atomic gear as I switched to Head a few years back now,

 

He switched because he had to be on the same skis as his hero, Bode Miller.
post #16 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by newfydog View Post


Newf, ya got it backwards! I switched to Head before Bode! He had to switch to what I was on!

and so did Hermann, and Lindsay and Riesch and Didier and Buechel and  Anja and Gruber and Hoffman and Gorgl and Schoenfelder and Putzer and Larsson.!!!!
 
Need I go on!
 

Edited by Atomicman - 12/4/09 at 7:45am
post #17 of 19
After two seasons on Head skis, Bode returns to USST...

And after two seasons on Heads, Hermann retires??

What's going on here??
post #18 of 19
Time & Age! Can't stop it!
post #19 of 19
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5 Jansrud, Atomic/Atomic/Atomic
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