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185 Movement Source

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I’ve been enthralled with Movement skis for the last year now, starting with the 08/09 Thunder.  Now my quiver includes the Thunder, 08/09 Sluff and now the 09/10 Source.  I’ve been skiing the Thunder for a year, the Sluff for a half year, and the Source for a short while (six full days lift access and one backcountry) and I’m rather jazzed about the Source in particular.

I’m a 51-year-old passionate skier and usually ski about 80 to 90 days per season.  I weigh about 175 pounds and am a fairly fit and strong skier.   I ski in the Canadian Rockies, mostly Sunshine, Lake Louise, Fernie, Panorama, and Castlle.  My current skis include the Movements, 183 Rossi Worldcup GS, 165 Atomic SL 12 Race, and Atomic SL 11.  I’ve had various Volkl, Atomic and Rossi skis including the Heli Daddy, Mantra and assorted Rossi B models.  Boots include BD Factor and Salomon X3 RC CS.  Bindings are Marker Baron.  People usually comment on their skiing ability in these reviews, and all I can really say is that my ability is eternally evolving - it's better than it was but not as good as I want - at least not yet

I read in another review of the Source  (177 cm) that ski had a speed limit and always has to be skied in shorter radius turns.  Thus far, I have not hit a speed limit for the 185 Source despite trying.  While it is a ski that likes to turn and is most stable when on edge (not a surprise), it does so with speed and confidence.  I feel that this ski has many of the qualities of the Mantra in terms of stability and crud busting, but not the flaws of the Mantra.  It floats better than the Mantra in deep snow and is much more responsive and alive IMHO.  Although, the Source 185 has a 19 metre radius, the ski is adaptable in turning.  Apply more pressure to the front of the ski while on edge, and it behaves with relatively tight carved arcs.  Apply pressure with the heel/full foot, and the arcs grow wider.  It carves solidly on most groomed, but would not be my first pick for very hard pack snow.

In windblown or crud, the ski has been amazing.  It blasts or cuts through crud at high speeds with little deflection, and holds a nice line while on edge.  My speed on sort of drifted crud has been fast because the ski cuts so nicely.

On manmade hardpack – (no snow for a couple of weeks) days, I’ll probably leave the Source at home and stick with a true GS or SL ski.  I can make the ski carve harder snow, but there are other skis that are much more fun than the Source on hard snow.

The only bumps that I’ve skied so far are fairly soft, and have ranged from small to big and tight.  The progressive flex, along with it’s responsiveness helps this ski to do quite well in bumps or in tight trees.  With a little angulation it carves in bumps, but skied flatter, it slides; for example, when aggressively attacking.  It releases from a carve easily.   It skis shorter than a 185 when needed (e.g., in the trees).

On a really deep powder day, I will probably choose a different ski, like my Movement Sluff.  Having said that, the Source has had no difficulties with boot-top to knee deep powder.  It floats well with it’s big shovel and what appears to be a touch of an early rise.  Depending on the edge angle, the Source will either cut nice acrs in powder or surf.  The only difficulty was on a break-through crust, where I felt the large sidecut was a disadvantage.
 
Touring was reasopnably good.  Dispite the shape, it tracks well, and the bigish shovel makes breaking trail a breeze. 

Overall, I find the Source to be a really fun, responsive and very playful ski that likes to be skied fast.  On weeks where the conditions are soft or some new snow (10 to 20 cm of powder (4 to 8 inches)), the Source will be "the ski"; that is, it will be my everyday ski.  On really deep powder days, heli-ski days or man-made snow days, I will leave it at home.  It’s a ski that is happier when moving fast and gives back when pushed.

 

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Nice review.  So this is now your daily driver for any day where the snow is soft or less than bootop deep?  Can you explain a bit more about how it is superior to the Mantra?  I have the Gotama and would assume maybe that the Source is stiffer than the Gotama?
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I think that the Mantra is a great ski.  As others have sometimes commented, (see http://www.epicski.com/products/volkl-mantra-alpine-ski/reviews#534 ) the Mantra dives a bit in deeper snow - the Sourse floats better and is more predictable in deep MHO. I used the Source on Sunday in the backcountry - untracked knee deep powder and it skied well, although other skis do better. The Mantra is a powerful ski that carves solid GS turns - the Source is also powerful, but I like the greater variability in the turning of the Source - which is personal thing rather than a criticism of the Mantra.  Both skis like speed and are good in crud.  I find the Source to be quicker, snappier and better in bumps, so to me, the Source is more versatile and fun.  The Mantra is probably a bit more solid on really hard snow, but if I'm stuck with a hardpack day, I'd choose a carver over the Mantra anyway.

 


Edited by canadianskier - 11/30/09 at 12:15pm
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I too started skiing Movement last year, Thunders, (about 30 days) and Love them as my daily driver out west..  I ski them in up to about 6" fresh and find them light, quick, snappy as hell and powerful..  Nice review BTW..  For people who have not tried the Movement line I suggest a demo or 2, as many of you will be VERY surprised at their build quality and overall responsiveness in various conditions...
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 Canadian Skier-thank you for the post. I have been looking for a daily driver for a little while and both the thunder and the source have intrigued.   Anyone know if there are any movement dealers in the PC/DV or LCC area. Id really like to demo a pair

RE the Thunder: the one consistent thing ive read from those who have posted on line is that the thunder is demanding.  1SDSkier- do you find this as well?  I love snap and going fast, but im getting old and do alot of slow skiing with my young kids.  Would you say the thunder is ultra demanding?  Does it have the ability to relax or is it a "throughbred" all the way? 

Keep the movement info coming....like many i like the idea of smaller manufacturers, Although the rossi phantom line also looks good. 
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Canadianskier, sorry to hijack this thread but I'd love to hear your impression of the Sluffs.  Would you be willing to either post it here or start a new thread?  Thanks!

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Kbuzz,

What level skier are you??  I too am getting a little longer in the tooth and don't ski as hard or long as I use too..  With that being said, I personally don"t find the Thunder as demanding as my 183 Bro's, (REALLY have to bring your A game), they do like speed and will absolutely shoot you out of your turns if you use your tails properly..  I generally like speed so I find this characteristic very appealing..  Too me they ski like the old Monster 88's, similar in feel..  Me, level 8 skier who likes steeps and open terrain more than trees etc...  You can definitely ski with the kids on these, I do....  However to Really love them, you need to let them stretch their legs, Guaranteed smile... 
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Kbuzz,

RE: the Thunder

Check out this review .... http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/79855/movement-thunder-187  I mostly agree with his review, but because I have the 177 Thunders, I feel they are better in tight trees than what I would expect from a 187.  I really like the Thunders - they are a fast and responsive ski with good energy.  My take on these skis is that they really do like to be skied fast - I have been surprised at times with the speed that I'm going when I skiing the Thunder, & I would imagine that the 187s are more stable.  They are not the most forgiving ski, but they reward aggressiveness & being pushed.  It isn't the best ski in icy conditions, and I keep mine sharp with at 88 degrees. 

I use this ski sometimes when I ski with my wife, who tends to ski slowly - no issues, but it is happier at speed.  I also have to say the same for when I use my race skis in the same situation (with slower people) - I just ski differently when I ski "with" slower skiers - more turns & more play.  Having said that, it's nice to have a ski that will also confidently respond to whatever you throw at it.

It is reallly a shame that Movement no longer makes this ski.  Movement replaced it with the Couloir, which has about the same dimensions but is softened and designed more for back country. 
Edited by canadianskier - 12/9/09 at 9:33pm
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 Canadian Skier-thank you for the post. I have been looking for a daily driver for a little while and both the thunder and the source have intrigued.   Anyone know if there are any movement dealers in the PC/DV or LCC area. Id really like to demo a pair

RE the Thunder: the one consistent thing ive read from those who have posted on line is that the thunder is demanding.  1SDSkier- do you find this as well?  I love snap and going fast, but im getting old and do alot of slow skiing with my young kids.  Would you say the thunder is ultra demanding?  Does it have the ability to relax or is it a "throughbred" all the way? 

Keep the movement info coming....like many i like the idea of smaller manufacturers, Although the rossi phantom line also looks good. 
I am sure the OP is a stronger skier than I am, however, I have had a pair of 187 Thunders for 2 seasons and love the ski. They are my most demanding skis (I also ride 184 Mythics and 179 Nitrous for similar conditions) likely due to my ability. I love them anywhere I want to go fast. That has meant mostly groomers with up to 6 inches of fresh snow at 35 degrees or less. On steeper runs I feel like the tails catch. Maybe I need to de-tune them or get better at jumping my turns or just nut up and go fast. For an expert skier, the Thunders would be an awesome ski. Very quick edge to edge, light, great grip on sketchy hard pack, however the Mythics blast through crud better and feel a lot more stable off piste. I love the build quality of Movement skis. At 5'10" I may have had better success with the 177 Thunders, but the stability of this ski at speed has always put a big smile on my face. I just need to get good enough to rip them in the steeps. Does it have the ability to relax, yes, but that is not why you want these skis.
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