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Replacements for OOOOLLLLLLDDDDD Lange XR8

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40 years old, 5'11", 185 lbs
Level 7-8 skiier, agressive, fast on-piste, mostly groomers in the Western U.S.  Starting to slow down a bit, as I'm skiing with the wife and kids more often than with college buddies.  Can still rip it up, though.  Just not all the time.  Sigh.

I wear size 9.5 - 10 shoes, and I have custom orthotics (from an orthopedic specialist) to combat plantar fascitis (they work great)

Old boots:  I've been skiing on the same pair of Lange XR8 boots for about 18 years, exact size unknown but they are marked "10" on the bottom and 323mm on the side. The reason I have not replaced them is that they are comfortable, ski well, and I am afraid I won't be able to find replacements I can live with.  Unfortunately, they are getting pretty beat (tweaked buckles, missing parts etc), and I think it's finally time.

Two years ago my wife purchased for me as a gift a pair of Technica Diablo Magnesium Ultrafits, size 28.0.  She bought them at a local ski shop, but didn't give them to me for several months (by which time was too late to return or exchange!).  I did have them heat-fitted, and had a pair of Superfeet corks made.  I then took them to Tahoe for a 3-day.  At that time I did not yet have my custom orthotics, just the cork beds.  After 2 runs I had to take them off - pain was unbearable.  Severe cramping on the top of my foot, and under my instep.  I went to a local ski shop a few weeks later, and was told they were too large and nothing could really be done.  I do not know if that was the truth, as they were also interested in selling me a new pair.

Now, when I wear the Technica's around the house, with my orthotics in (no cork beds) they seem quite comfortable.  No cramping even after an hour or so.  When I get a chance, I will try to ski them again.

Here are my questions:

1.  What's the best way to determine if a boot that feels fine at home will feel fine on the slopes (short of going up and skiing it, of course)?
2.  What "modern" boots would most likely mimic the fit of my old Langes?


Thanks a million!

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1)  no real way, but a starting point to see how a boot fits you..

So you want to buy some new boots? This information applies to All double boots (boots with removable liners): downhill, telemark, alpine touring, snowboard, ice climbing, and any ability or age.

First of all the sizing information on the tags is not always accurate. Different brands fit differently and sometimes the sizing tags on the boot are gone. If it is right type of boot, in the right price range, and about the right size, try it on. The first step is to shell fit. With the liner removed, your foot in the shell only, and your toes touching the front of the boot, you should have NO MORE then 2 fingers, 2 cm or ¾ inch between your heel and the back of the boot. You also want about 1-3mm around the width of your foot. Yes they will feel a bit snug at first, but they will pack out, trust us.

Put the liner back in and lace or buckle the boot up and make sure that your heel is back all the way in the boot. Then when you flex the boot forward, your heel should stay down, your toes should come back from the front of the boot, and they should feel comfortably snug. Keep in mind that they will stretch out ¼ to ½ size as your foot works it way back in in the boot, and the liner packs out and molds to your foot.

If you go bigger then this your foot will slide around, and cause blisters, you will have to over tighten your boot to make the foot stay in place, cutting off the blood flow and making your feet colder. Boot fitters can make a small boot bigger, but can not make a big boot smaller.

2) First thing, find a good boot fitter in YOUR area. Trying to fit boots, problem solving over the phone, or online is VERY hard to do. This is not like making a cake by a following a recipe (and I can’t do that either) but more like now to paint (as told by Sevie Wonder)
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Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice.  I really don't think there are any reputable boot fitters left in SoCal, but I'll look.  Might have to wait for my next trip to Mammoth.

WRT replacing my old Langes, what would be a good make/model to start looking at?
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in lange world the bansche (98mm) shape is a start, but all companies make a boot like that, that will fit you 80% of the way.  then it is up to the boot fitter to make the rest of the 20% of the fit.  This is assuming that you have the right size, and flex to start with,
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The boot is almost certainly too large, but I think your problem is probably the Superfoot beds.   Potential problems with the beds can easily be corrected by a knowledgeable fitter.  Since they are made non-weightbearing they tend to have an accentuated arch which is made very solid by the fact that the bottom of the footbed is flat.  When you foot is inside the boot it pronates and supinates as you turn but the solid footbed does not pronate with your foot and transfers support from your calcaneus to the sensitive soft tissue of your arch which is not meant to withstand substantial direct pressure.

The fix is a belt sander applied to the underside of the arch area to produce a hollow (basically follow the contour of the arch itself) that softens the arch.  Fit the footbed into the shell to make certain it is not supported by the shell in the arch area.  If it is trim more.  I think this will fix you problem.

Once fixed, schedule a weekend in Squaw, stop in Reno and let Bud get you into a 26 or perhaps a 27 but I'll bet not larger.

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