You're losing me, but I don't think it's that complex. You make an arc, in the transition you have a flat ski/to to neutral/recentering phase, then you make another arc. The flat ski/recentering can be, and probably should, these days, be pretty brief, but it still exists. I think skiers get seduced into thinking that if they're not *always* on an edge, then something is wrong. As you roll over from one set of edges to the other, in the transition of the edge change, you pretty much have
to go through a flat ski phase. The idea is just to manage that transition effectively. In other words, in addition to recentering my balancing act, this is the opportunity to steer, or whatever you want to call it, but I don't want to oversteer.
What I'm trying to work out in my own skiing is the concept of what the arc itself actually is, and how to make it effective and fast. The concept I'm talking about is that of having an edge, of *some* sort, all the way through the arc, but using the right
amount of edge angle and pressure for each phase of the turn:
- Old turn done, I go to neutral, flat ski, and so forth.
- Start of the next arc, I do the "upside down traverse thing" to get the edges engaged early, but as LeMaster pointed out, and I hadn't really thought about it much until this year, because you're upside down, it's not easy to get a huge edge angle, and it's probably contraindicated, too...that is, a huge edge angle, because I'm upside down, is likely to mean I'm tipping excessively and risking losing my balance, and even if I do
get a huge edge angle and manage to pressure it in the upside down traverse, which isn't easy, I'm likely to get too much of the turn done before the fall line, and almost get a severe reverse J turn going where I arc inside the next gate.
So I have just enough
edge angle and pressure to get the "self steering effect" of the ski going to make it head toward the fall line, next phase of the arc. You probably are "floating" at this point (Bode does this really well, sometimes, also Marcel Hirscher, which is one thing that makes them really fast at the top third of the arc), but it's not passive, IMHO. You're adjusting your balance as the ski heads toward the fall line, and you're finessing the edge angle and pressure to make both the right amount...the optimum amount.
- The fall line, second phase of the arc, is where I believe you want to increase the edge angle, both to tighten/and or effectively shape the arc and to give you what LeMaster calls an effective "platform angle" so your center of mass is passing through your center of support...very important because as one of my teammates says, this is where you're going to "meet the forces", meaning the combined forces of momentum and gravity. In the top phase of the arc, you need to apply *some* muscular force to get the edge tracking because you're, well, you're upside down. In the fall line phase of the turn, your goal is much more to manage and effectively distribute
the pressure you have available to you over the effectively edged ski. In other words, at this point, you are trying to get the skis to turn you
, rather than you having to make the skis turn. Again, to make all this happen is a very active set of moves.
- In the last 3rd of the arc, you are effectively trying to stop turning
...end the arc as soon as you have the direction you want, and get ready to go to neutral again. You are past the fall line, and your momentum wants to go one way and gravity wants to pull you another way...they are no longer in synch as they are in the fall line...so you want to decrease pressure and edge angle as you go back to neutral. It's a more effective use of the forces, it's faster because you're not grinding on the edge at the bottom of the arc, and, again, it is not passive...it takes some real athletic finesse and a superior balancing act to make all this good stuff happen...
Originally Posted by justanotherskipro
In the past I wrote a lot about apex to apex turns and suggested we expand the transition phase to include everything in between the apexes. That idea was seen as trying to redefine existing terminology though and I never really came up with another word. or phrase, that didn't cause just as many objections. The space in between the strong turning efforts and how we set up for the next strong turning effort sort of falls into what I was trying to convey when I talked about this back then. But what should we call this in between phase? Should we even try to define it? As we have seen in this thread, pause seems to imply a lack of activity, float describes the pressure component very well but does it describe the edging and pivoting activities well enough? (No pivot is still exercising control over the amount of pivot)
My opinion for what it's worth is since we maintain contact and slight edge purchase (to keep the skis tracking where we want them to go) these qualities need to be implied in that description. An edge change occurs and our stance changes a lot as well. Is there a way to convey that in a single catch phrase?