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Help with 1st Ski Purchase (powder, bumps, trees)

post #1 of 11
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Hello everybody,

I'm a recreational skiier whos looking to get some new equipment for this years ski season.  I'm a 22 year old med student whos got lots of friends in Colorado who are expert skiers/boarders and its getting to the point where I always catch lots of crap and weird looks when I take rental skiis down the double blacks at the top of the moutain and do off-piste skiing in trees ect. in waist deep powder.  I absolutely love skiing in deep powder, bowl skiing, bumps, and by far my favorite is skiing in the trees with powder.  I do not like groomed runs, and I don't really like hauling on groomed runs (going fast is NOT a priority).  I own a pair of Rossingol X12 Exalt boots from last year.  I'm 5'9 and 160 pounds.  

I've probably skiied around 50 days in my lifetime, but I'd say i was pretty good for that.  I can zipper down not-so steep bumps, and I can get down almost anything on the moutain outside of 10 ft cliff jumps.  I ski with my knees and ankles together and don't lift either ski off when turning. 

I only get to ski about 5-10 days a year, so owning multiple pairs of skis isn't a smart idea for me.  And I can't really own a pair of skis that isn't going to be useful in varied conditions (IE deep powder in January or Spring slush in March).  I've heard my dream pair of skis is a powder/all mountain hybrid.  

Thins I like...
Trees/Off-Piste
Powder
Control
Ease of Turning/Quick and tight turning (Does this mean a shorter ski?)
Skis that can handle steep and deep conditions, a skiier progressing thru advanced levels
The occasional jump (and subsequent wipeout)

Things I do not like...
Groomers
Going extremely fast
Skis that aren't comfortable for all day skiing
Skis that can't handle all conditions

I'm not opposed to powder skis if they can handle everything else like an all-mountain ski.  I'm not opposed to twin tip skis.  I'm not opposed to an all-mountain ski.  I'm pretty much all all around wanna-be texan ski bum, and hopefully I get to move to CO for residency.  Any suggestions on skis to buy would be great.  I'm looking to spend around $400 dollars and don't mind older/used skis or spending a bit more money if thats what i need to do.  c

Thanks, and sorry for the novel. 

 
post #2 of 11
We are about the same size. I just picked up a pair of Salomon Furys. I would take a look at those. Excellent all around one ski quiver. Good luck!
post #3 of 11

I think what you want is a mid-fat to fat (but not superfat -- maybe 85 to 105 wide) ski that is not too stiff and has plenty of sidecut.  In my experience, the stiffness and sidecut control how "turny" a ski is even more than length.  That's what you need for quick turning at moderate speeds.

 

Based on my expeience demoing this years Volkl Gotama on hardpack, I would say they are a powder ski that would be an excellent everything ski.  I'd recommend them in a second, but they are a hot ski, so will go for close to full retail.

Among older skis....hmmm.  A really liked the Nordica Hellcat. It is fairly fat but really likes to turn.  I've never tried the old Public Enemy myself, but if I remember correctly it might be meet your needs.

In a slightly skinnier group, I'm a fan of the Rossi B3 / B83 / Phantom something-or-other line.  The next wider version might be good for what you want (94, I think).

Hopefully other people will chime in with specific suggestions. 

post #4 of 11
 look for a Midfat twin 85-105 underfoot most likely 170-180 in lenght. 

The narrower shorter you go the better it will ski bumps, the longer wider you go the better it will ski powder.

Narrowest to widest.

174cm or 179cm  85mm K2 Public Enemy/Extreme extremely snappy ski all around. Skis powder better(well at least in the 179cm) than some of the wider suggestions Ill mention like the bridge and the P90s IMO. Great in trees, bumps, even groomers(I know you dont care about that)

179cm Line P90 90mm - like the PE but slightly wider underfoot better at mowing though crud but slightly more demanding while be slightly better at speed. If you think you could handle the 186cm it would be much better at powder and chewing though crud than the PE.

177cm  or 185cm Volkl Bridge 93mm underfoot - the 177cm Bridge is not as good at powder as the PE in a 179cm and IMO doesnt ski bumps better at all since it has to much sidecut. The 185cm is slightly better at powder than the Pe, and has more edge grip but not as much as the P90 or the P100. I dont really like this ski but some people do. 

179cm Line P100 - 100mm underfoot I havent skied this size but this is amoung the front runners to fill a void in my quiver between my PEs and thugs. Line really nailed this ski IMO. Skis wide open stuff fine at speed but yet feels nimble when it needs to be.Kills crud, has decent float in powder, not bad in moguls. Once you have an edge on hard snow it will hold with alot of power. not a super easy ski to ski on.

183cm Volkl Gotama 105mm - ok first let me state I HATE the new rocker style and wouldnt buy it ever, if your going to get a rockered ski like that buy it wider as it is full on powder ski. I really like the old models though and the skis is easy forgiving one of the best 105 mm skis in powder and skis every else pretty well as well.


There are other skis but truthfully you have to demo and if you want to get good man up and skis some longer stuff like I recommended longer skis are more nimble once you get on top of them. 
post #5 of 11
Hey,

I am about an inch and a half taller then you and about 15 lbs lighter.  I also prefer a more turny ski, but I went with a two ski quiver, Skiing pow without the proper gear sucks ass.

My 2 skis are :
2009 Volkl Gotamas in a 176
2009 Dynastar Contact 10's in a 172

The dynastars hold their edge AMAZINGLY and then when the pow flys, the gotamas are a perfect ski. 

Excellent so far :)
post #6 of 11
A little off-topic, but...

Quote:
Originally Posted by BushwackerinPA View Post


183cm Volkl Gotama 105mm - ok first let me state I HATE the new rocker style


 


Have you tried it?  Admittedly I've only tried this ski in the "wrong" conditions, but I was amazed and surprised at how well it skied.  It changed my mind on rocker -- I was prepared to hate it, too.
post #7 of 11
It sounds like  you are look for a wider (85-105) medium to softer flexing ski. Avoid the burly charging skis and heavy overly damp crud skis. Bushwacker gave you a great list. I wouldn't over think these calls--just get a good versatile ski that is your size and then learn how to make it work in all conditions.

Strong second for  the PE recommendation.

Add 181 Scott P4s (or 179 Mission) as another good option.

also the Watea 94

I would suggest you get a conventional skis (rather than something rockered). Unless you ski somewhere with a very high proportion of powder days (in CO that would proabbly be steamboat or Wolf Cr)-- I don't think it makes sense to have a rockered ski for everyday use.
post #8 of 11
Well, yeah I wouldn't actually recommend rocker for the original poster. 

But for somewhat more experienced folks, my endorsement of this year's Gotama stands.  In fact, I'd love to experiment with them on eastern ice.  Might work, might be a disaster, but it would be interesting.
post #9 of 11
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tromano View Post



I would suggest you get a conventional skis (rather than something rockered). Unless you ski somewhere with a very high proportion of powder days (in CO that would proabbly be steamboat or Wolf Cr)-- I don't think it makes sense to have a rockered ski for everyday use.
 
What is a rockered ski compared to a conventional ski?

BTW thanks to all for their replys. 

Also, I'm 5'9.  You guys are recommending some pretty long skis than what I am use to.  Should I still be sticking to the 170-180 cm range if I decided I liked the K2 PEs?  They seem like a pretty good ski to me except I am a little worried about them in powder because they are only 85mm in the middle.  Or is 85mm in the middle still pretty fat?

What about K2 Silencers?  How are they in powder compared to PEs?

Also, another noob question.  What is crud?  I thought it was related to powder...
 
 
 
 

Edited by FB User (Private) - 11/29/09 at 6:25pm
post #10 of 11
Rockered means the bottom of the ski is bowed like a rocking chair bottom. They are specialised skis for  deep soft snow.

The K2 PE is a very good pow ski for its size. As good as many skis that are 10mm wider.

Snow falls as powder. Then skiers come and ski it out and it gets cut up. After a few day it reforms into a thicker consistency and becomes crud.
post #11 of 11
Thread Starter 
Picked up some older K2s PEs at a really good price.  I will report back when I attempt to shred as best I can over the new year.  

Off to my next business deal...

WTT: Lives.  My future career as an M.D. for your life as a ski bum/junkie/ect.  Will throw in extra cash.  

Texas sucks...

 
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