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Need help deciding...Sultan 85, Phantom 80, Lord, Prophet 90,

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Thread Starter 

Hi all,

I am brand new to the forum and looking for some guidance in picking out some new skis.  I am a level 7 skier, 30 years old, 5'10" 170 pounds, ski mostly on the east coast/mid atlantic and make a few trips out to Colorado and Tahoe every year.  I currently ski Volkl V3 Carvers and they were a good ski for carving on the east coast, but I am getting much better and looking to explore a bit more off piste, a slightly tipped tail and something wider under foot.  I am looking for an all mountain ski that will perform well on the east coast but can still handle well on the trips out west.  I am not an overly aggressive skier, I would say I tend to ski medium to fast in terms of speed, and spend about 70% of my time on piste, and make all types of turns.  I want something that is easy to get edge to edge, can hold an edge and rip the groomers but still spend some time in the bowls, trees, bumps and some powder.  I am looking for something that turns well, is fun and playful to ski everyday, and stable and predictable...and be something that I can continue to get better with.

In reading a bunch of reviews, I think I've narrowed it down to the following:
Dynastar Sultan 85
Rossi Phantom 80
Salomon Lord
Line Prophet 90 

Can someone give me some recommendations on which would be best for what I am looking for?

 

Thanks for the help!

post #2 of 20
I have skied on all the above and would rank them more or less as follows.

East:
1) Sultan
2) Prophet
3) Phantom
4) Lord

West:
1) Sultan/Prophet
3) Lord
4) Phantom

The Sultan and Prophet are the clear winners of your list with the Sultan having the edge in grip and stability and the Prophet having the edge in playfulness.

SJ
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks SierraJim!

I would assume that the 172 length would be the correct size in either the Sultan or Prophet?
post #4 of 20
It's not quite as easy as that because the P-90 skis really short. Personally, I like the Sultan in 178 and the Prophet in 186. I'd say the Sultan in 172 would be OK although the 178 is not out of the mix. For the Prophet I'd think 179.

SJ
post #5 of 20
Thread Starter 
My V3 Carvers are 170s (I think) and the jump to a 172 ski doesn't concern me since its very minimal from what I am used to, but to 178/179 sounds a bit intimidating. 
post #6 of 20
Given that info, I'd suggest the Sultan 172 as I think the Prophet might be a little disappointing in a 172 (at least for some conditions)

SJ
post #7 of 20
Thread Starter 
SierraJim,

Is there anything else that you may suggest that would be in the same ballpark as the Sultan and Prophet based on your ratings?  I don't want to overlook any!
post #8 of 20
There are sooooo many good skis in that width range that no matter what you get you're bypassing something equally good. I hate to even throw another ski into your mixer but one other really good ski in that range is the '10 Blizzard Cronus in 173. It is close to the Sultan in grip but maybe a tiny tich better in crud due to a slightly straighter shape.

Honestly, in that width range you are blessed with a plethora of great stuff.

SJ
post #9 of 20
Thread Starter 
Does the Blizzard Cronus have a slightly tipped tail?  And where would you put it based on the Sultan having more edge grip and stability and the Prophet being more playful like you originally said?  I am not very familiar with Blizzard.
post #10 of 20
The Cronus has a small kicktail that is more or less similar to the Sultan. I'd put the Cronus in between those other other two very good skis as far as grip/stability vs. playfulness.

I knew I shouldn't have brought it up..........................

SJ
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
Last question and I think my mind is made up.  Any difference between the 2010 version of the Cronus and last years version other than the graphics, since you specifically mentioned the '10?

Thanks SJ!!!!!
post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by golfski View Post

Last question and I think my mind is made up.  Any difference between the 2010 version of the Cronus and last years version other than the graphics, since you specifically mentioned the '10?

Thanks SJ!!!!!



 

Yes there is. While the '09 version was good in the 180/187 lengths, the 173 length specifically was a little soft. For 2010, the ski is stiffer in the midsection and hence has a little more power/grip. I'm not sure if it's the IQ Max track or what, but it appears that the core profile on the 2010 version is a little thicker in the middle of the ski hence giving it a little more juice. IAC, in the longer sizes it's less of an issue but the 173 in the '09 version was not as good as the current 2010 version.

SJ
post #13 of 20

Prophet 90 in 179..  It skis short and Real Fun...  At your weight, size, level, it should be a real good fit, especially for trips to the West...  Chronus is nice, but not as fun IMO, if it were me Prophet 90...  Happy hunting...

post #14 of 20
I am about the same in level, skills and interests. I ski on a L8K and have owned a B1 previously. In the last couple of season, I had a chance to demo the Sultan 85, Phantom (forgot what underfoot) and Prophet 90 (amongst others).

Amongst these 3 skis, I liked the Sultan the most. Even though it was a tad wider than the L8K, I felt that they had about the same feel (the L8K is shorter). But, it had better edge hold and skied faster. I also liked the Phantom but felt that it lacked a bit in the agility department somewhat like the old B1. In comparison, I like the Prophet the least, but it was under different condition (more crusty and hard). I found it quite a bit more slugglish going from edge to edge.

Have you tried the Mythic? Those are exceptional skis as well although some thinks they don't handle as well in the West, which I wouldn't know anything about.
post #15 of 20
I had a similar post a couple days ago and it seemed the Prophet 90's were a good choice.  I actually bought a brand new 165 cm 09/10 model for only $390.  Couldn't believe how cheap they were when i walked in, but my local shop was stopping to carry Line, so a $600+ ski selling for only $390 was a STEAL!
post #16 of 20
Thread Starter 
I think at this point it is between the Sultan 85 and the Cronus...and actually may be leaning a little towards the Cronus.  While the Prophet is certainly a great ski, I think I am willing to trade off some of the playfulness for edge grip since I'll be mostly on the east coast.  The only problem is I am terrible at deciding...there is a good chance I may end up owning two sets of skis this year!
post #17 of 20

Golf, which ski did you ultimately end up with?  I'm glad I chanced across this thread, because your description is practically identical to my own: L7 (7.5?) skier, 5' 9" 160lbs - currently I have a pair of 2008 Dynastar D'Stinct 166cm skis, bought them cheap online 2yrs ago when I was getting back into skiing after a 7+ year hiatus, planning to upgrade at some point.  I think that point is here, because the 72 underfoot of the D'Stincts just sinks right into fresh Tahoe snow (I'm in CA, so ski Tahoe 3-5 times/year).  Also (is it me?) the D'Stincts seem rather "heavy," and a bit unstable, particularly at speed (although, some of that may just be due to edges that need sharpening).

 

If I can steal it, your description of where you are and what you're looking for fits me to a tee: "I am not an overly aggressive skier, I would say I tend to ski medium to fast in terms of speed, and spend about 70% of my time on piste, and make all types of turns.  I want something that is easy to get edge to edge, can hold an edge and rip the groomers but still spend some time in the bowls, trees, bumps and some powder.  I am looking for something that turns well, is fun and playful to ski everyday, and stable and predictable...and be something that I can continue to get better with."

 

Only thing I'd add to that that are that I want a ski that's light, and also considering whether I should look for a reverse camber (rocker?) ski, for easier turnin and pow float?

 

I considered the Dynastar Mythic Rider (172/178), but comments from sierrajim and others ("In the chow, the Mythic felt more like a slicer than a floater" & "stiff ... it engaged readily, but took some authority to bend it.") make me think it's not the ski for me.

 

So now I'm considering...

 

  • Dynastar Sultan 85 (would 178 be appropriate? the jump from 166 is a bit of a concern, but i suppose the 166s were pretty short for me anyway?)
  • Dynastar Sultan 80 (172)
  • Line Prophet 90 
  • Black Diamond Voodoo Skis (175)
 
 
I like the idea of the playfulness of the Prophet 90s, as I like the idea of starting to do park stuff (though, at 40+, I'm not sure my bones could take the risk! ;)
 
Question, someone stated, "Prophet 90 in 179..  It skis short" ... how so, wondering why the prophet was recommended in such a longer length for the OP than the Sultan?
 
BTW, any thoughs on the BD Voodoos?
 

oh, was also considering the Kastle MX88s ... but I fear they're waaaay out of my budget :(

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