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Poll Results: Your ski for a foot of fresh by waist in mm.

 
  • 14% (14)
    85mm, ,
  • 20% (20)
    95mm
  • 37% (36)
    105mm
  • 15% (15)
    115mm
  • 7% (7)
    125mm
  • 3% (3)
    135mm
  • 1% (1)
    145mm
96 Total Votes  
post #121 of 128
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post




If you just want a ski that makes powder the easiest and fastest, then get something hugely fat and make 12" ski like 4" and you can turn and ski with ease, or better yet get a snowmobile.  A really fat ski completely changes your relationship with the snow, and that change is not for everyone.  Take 12" of light powder on a 120mm waisted ski (yes, I have done it), and to me it is like using a condom, compared to a narrower longer ski.  You lose the connection and feel of the flex of the ski when it is already pre-flexed and has a built in inclination to try and get up out of the snow as your speed increases, which is not where I want to be. 

... and yes, I occasionally keep my skis in my room at night.
 

sometimes yes 12inch skis like 4 inches but at the same time 4inch can sometimes ski like 12.
post #122 of 128
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Originally Posted by mudfoot View Post




...  You lose the connection and feel of the flex of the ski when it is already pre-flexed and has a built in inclination to try and get up out of the snow as your speed increases, which is not where I want to be.  ...

 

Nothing wrong with subjective preference for a certain feel.  However, many fairly flat or rockered/early rise skis actually do still give a clear feeling of flex, loading and unloading, etc. through the turn, they just plane more easily, allow a great variety of turn shapes, etc.

Some of the posts, but not Mudfoot's that I'm quoting, also continue to assert that in general fat rockered skis are primarily used by kids in baggy pants who can't ski.  While there may be some idiosyncratic area where this is the case, in basically every area at which I've been on a day with a decent amount of fresh, while there's been a range of abilities on "3d friendly" skis, the range of observable performance and enjoyment has clearly grouped with the 3d-friendly skis @ the top of the range (with most of the upper end of the ability group also using these shapes) and people on rental frontside carvers and many ski instructors down @ the bottom end of the range.  It is what it is. 

You can have fun tele-ing on skinny skis and leather boots in two feet of fresh, and there are still a very small number of people who choose to do this.  It's pretty cool.  Most people who are not great athletes with a high level of skill will have much more fun on something else.  And they will still feel the ski load up and release.

 
post #123 of 128
I am not anti-fat or rocker.  Sierra cement, floating on 4", etc, fat skis have many advantages, but the OP's question is width choice for 12" new, and I'll stand by my statement that you don't need more than 105 mm for powder, provided you are not on short skis, but that's another thread.

IMO it comes down to mobility achieved by a looser connection to the snow, but a narrower longer non-rockered ski gives you a more solid connection, which works just fine and has it's own advantages.

As for more turn shape options always equaling more fun, with that reasoning we should all be on snowblade twin tips for skiing groomers. 
post #124 of 128
Narrower traditional skis work fine, and can perform better on other types of surfaces.  If you like something a bit twitchy and more difficult to ski in 3d snow that makes you struggle and fall more, cool. 

Snowblades actually aren't that versatile for skiing groomers, because they don't allow for big turns or even carved short turns beyond a certain radius, and they suck in bumps for people who know how to ski bumps.  They are a lot of fun though. 
post #125 of 128
Why is everybody making the assumption that skiing in 1 foot of fresh snow is difficult on skinny skis?
It is very easy on my 190 cm Volant Machete G skis  (68 mm underfoot, but about 108 at the tip so not traditional "straight" skis).  Are they perhaps basing opinions on a skinny short slalom ski, or old stiff-tailed straight ski?   It's really not that hard..
post #126 of 128
 It's not that hard if you know how to do it, but obviously it is hard if you look around you on the hill when it snows. the "don't they groom around here" cliche is based in reality. Every time it snows a foot or more, you will see people slide up to the ski school lineup in tears (literally) that suddenly cant ski. Fat skis make it easier, that is fact. It doesn't mean that it can't be enjoyable on a pair of slalom skis, but it is not easy.
post #127 of 128
Yes, it is not easy on short SL skis with a sub-13 m radius, but it is easy on twenty-something radius skis with 108 mm tips.  I think it's the turn radius and the stiffness to length ratio more than the width that makes it hard.
post #128 of 128
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Originally Posted by CTKook View Post

Some of the posts, but not Mudfoot's that I'm quoting, also continue to assert that in general fat rockered skis are primarily used by kids in baggy pants who can't ski.  While there may be some idiosyncratic area where this is the case, in basically every area at which I've been on a day with a decent amount of fresh, while there's been a range of abilities on "3d friendly" skis, the range of observable performance and enjoyment has clearly grouped with the 3d-friendly skis @ the top of the range (with most of the upper end of the ability group also using these shapes) and people on rental frontside carvers and many ski instructors down @ the bottom end of the range.  It is what it is. 
 

QFT 

While I might not use exactly this terminology, the above is consistent with my observations at a couple dozen hills/resorts in several countries over the past two seasons.
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