Originally Posted by alexzn
Stingray-lift-serving skiing primarily but also works for high-exertion activities. it is a snowboarding jacket, so the fit is a bit shorter and boxier. Sizing is also different, I am a large in Stingray, but Med in Stinger, Sidewinder, etc. Made in Canada, at least the early year models.
I think you have that backwards. Virtually every snowboarding-targeted jacket I've seen have been hip-length (parka) or longer. Skiing jackets have traditionally been short (or at least shorter) because skiing demands bending at the hips, sometimes deeply. Long jackets catch at the butt, and bunch up at the crotch. Snowboarding... not quite as much bending.
(A quick Google Image search of "ski jacket" and "snowboard jacket" will illustrate this length convention.)Veloscente
is on the ball regarding Gore "Soft Shell"... the Gore marketing dept, far from messing up, came up with "Gore-tex Soft Shell" as a strategic move that many regard as downright deceptive. Remember that W. L. Gore & Assoc.'s primary technology is ePTFE membrane. When the softshell craze hit, they were left flat-footed with little to compete in the membrane-less, stretchy (to enable closer, more efficient clothing cuts), highly-breathable-but-weather-resistant fabric market. Their Windstopper product could not compete in breathability and stretch, and even though it was more weather-resistant than other softshell fabrics, it was difficult to sell as "more water resistant, but you might still get wet". It didn't have the Gore "magic" in the market.
In swoops Gore marketing to the rescue. "Gore Soft Shell" could be marketed as the waterproof
softshell. Something to stand out in the market and dazzle consumers to forget to notice that it still had most of the disadvantages of a hardshell... because it really was just a hardshell variant (not that there's anything really wrong with a hardshell variant). The term was, of course, deceptive and worked to undermine the definition of "softshell".jeffreyleigh
The Gore "soft shell" material is not just a fuzzier inner layer ("fleece" is completely misleading, as it is FAR from a fleece of any kind; fuzzier is the correct description; think of the difference between a dress shirt and a light flannel shirt), the shell fabric
has a softer hand to be less "crinkly" and less noisy relative to the XCR/Pro Shell fabrics. Having compared a Stingray ("Soft Shell"), Sidewinder AR (XCR), and Beta AR (Pro Shell) side-by-side, I can tell you that this is indeed true.Edited by DtEW - 12/29/09 at 1:04am