|Originally posted by John Mason:
Lito's point and this is also Eric and Rob's point in their book "Ski the Whole Mountain" as well as in HH's books is that it's impossible to stem your turns if you begin your turns this way since you can't turn (pivot) a ski with all your weight on it.
I would first question your supporting an argument or contention based upon an idea appearing in three texts. I think history would suggest ideas have surfaced in hundreds of texts that later were deemed to not be salient.
A ski can be pivoted with all of a skiers weight on it. As noted by Bob, just whip out HH's text and look at the photo sequence Bob describes, "For a clearer image of how Harald likely initiated this turn, look closely at the images on the colored "centerfold" cards between pages 102 and 103 in Harald's book, particularly cards # 2, 4, 5, 7, and especially 8. These sequences show an unmistakable, if subtle, rotation of the shoulders at the turn initiation, prior to the skis turning. That rotation is part 1 of the "1-2" movement of classic "rotation," exemplified by the exaggerated movements of the venerable Arlberg technique."
Weight transfer is a fairly standard paradigm in ski teaching. I'm not going to attempt a lengthy explaination of the alternative other than to say what we often think of or feel as "weight transfer" is actually merely the result of centrifugal force and the resultant pressure on the outside ski.
Again, why move weight left when trying to go right? In reality I'm not sure anyone can actually do so.
One can extend/pressure/engage the new medial edge of the outside ski and this may "feel" like weight transfer. I don't think ones weight goes the wrong way and in addition I see no reason why we would want it to do so.
John you dance between forums and do an admireable job of remaining fairly unbiased here. You recently wrote the following at "the other forum", "Rotary and Steering are a result, not an input. Tipping is the input, turns are the result. Best way to tip is with the less weighted free foot. It's pretty simple in the final analysis. Why crud it up by teaching these "abstractions" of rotary and steering."
I'm sorry all this terminology confuses you. I want to suggest one thing. The cockpit of a 747 may look confusing to you and I, however, the captain has it figured out. PSIA-RM has, in fact, abandonned the terms rotary, pressure, and edging in favor of simpler terms
As others have explained before, steering is the whole ball of wax. It can be done by turning the skis, tipping the skis, pushing on the skis, pulling on the skis or a blend of all these elements.
Again I ask you the question. Stand on a pair of skis with any given turn radius. Complete a turn with a radius that is half the given radius of the tool on your feet.
The skis turned.
You are not on a magic carpet. Something caused the skis to turn.
You have asked the question of your physician and have posed it here. You have pondered the term ".kinetic chain".
I'll take a stab. "The shin bones connected to the knee bone, the knee bones connected to the thigh bone, come on everbody join in and sing, the thigh bones connected to the......"
Lito cites this ditty in his article.
To deny this is simply wrong.[ April 18, 2004, 07:53 AM: Message edited by: Rusty Guy ]