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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
 Hey everyone, i have been trying to decide on a pair of new skis. I am 5'6" and 140lbs and live and ski on the east coast. I have been looking at a couple different skis and have narrowed it down to a couple. i have been reading other threads on these skis but they havent really been compared except for the line & fischer. Im looking for something wider, i have 2 pairs of 70mm and 67mm carvers, but i have been exploring into tree skiing and they suck for that. i want an all around ski with good hardpack skiing as well as some powder and trees. 

skis i am looking at are:

line prophet 90
volkl bridge
fischer watea 84
volkl ac30

right now i am leaning more towards the p90 or bridge

thanks for the help
post #2 of 17
Interesting list. I have skied all the skis you mention and would give the following advice....

Watea 84: Scrap this one. It is a great soft snow ski but mediocre on really hard stuff.
AC-30: Scrap this one. It is great on hard snow but not good at all in soft stuff.
P-90: Maybe. Great in soft snow and bumps, and a little better than the Watea on hard snow.
Bridge: Best of your list. Good in soft, pretty good on hard, not great at either.

SJ
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
 thanks that helps alot its awesome that you have tried them all, you said that the bridge are the best on MY list so what would you recommend 
post #4 of 17
Have you looked at the K2 Explorer or Volkl AC50.  I skied in the East a lot and would stay under 90 mm at the waist.  Wider then that will be tough on those usual ice blown days. 
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by miguelf88 View Post

 thanks that helps alot its awesome that you have tried them all, you said that the bridge are the best on MY list so what would you recommend 

There are a lot of very good skis in the ~~ 80-90mm range. Keeep in mind that you are asking for a ski to handle conditions that are mostly opposite one another. The hardpack criteria would suggest a fairly stiff ski that's not particularly wide while the powder/trees criteria suggest a softer ski that is somewhat wider. The resultant of those two criteria will be a compromise and somewhere in between. That is why you won't find something that is really stellar at both.

So....the Bridge is a pretty good choice with a slight bias toward the soft snow end and the Blizzard Cronus (2010 version) is right in there as well also with a little bias toward softer snow. The Dynastar Sultan 85 and Nordica HR Pro Burner are both a little better on hard snow but not quite as good in soft.

I test about 50-60 skis a year and those are all good choices. If I still lived in Stowe, I'd have one of those four in my quiver.


SJ
post #6 of 17
SJ, In my opinion your suggestions are always on the money!
post #7 of 17
Thread Starter 
i havent looked at the k2, i have looked at the ac50 but i think the ac30 would be better and cheaper
post #8 of 17
you might want to add the k2 public enemy/extreme to the list.  They are so versitile and ski pow and hardpack fine.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post




There are a lot of very good skis in the ~~ 80-90mm range. Keeep in mind that you are asking for a ski to handle conditions that are mostly opposite one another. The hardpack criteria would suggest a fairly stiff ski that's not particularly wide while the powder/trees criteria suggest a softer ski that is somewhat wider. The resultant of those two criteria will be a compromise and somewhere in between. That is why you won't find something that is really stellar at both.

So....the Bridge is a pretty good choice with a slight bias toward the soft snow end and the Blizzard Cronus (2010 version) is right in there as well also with a little bias toward softer snow. The Dynastar Sultan 85 and Nordica HR Pro Burner are both a little better on hard snow but not quite as good in soft.

I test about 50-60 skis a year and those are all good choices. If I still lived in Stowe, I'd have one of those four in my quiver.


SJ


 
I know I'm not going to find something that would be stellar in both, although it would be nice but until someone does make a ski that works great in powder and hardpack, we all have to compromise lol. Since most snow here is more hardpack than powder I will probably be better off going with the Nordica's, i just basically want a ski that I can take in powder or soft snow and that won't tip-dive like the ones i have now do, thats mainly my concern.

Someone at the ski shop also told me that volkl has a return policy that if you are not satisfied with the ski you can bring it back. Have you ever heard of that?
post #10 of 17
Thread Starter 
 ill check those out too thanks
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post




There are a lot of very good skis in the ~~ 80-90mm range. Keeep in mind that you are asking for a ski to handle conditions that are mostly opposite one another. The hardpack criteria would suggest a fairly stiff ski that's not particularly wide while the powder/trees criteria suggest a softer ski that is somewhat wider. The resultant of those two criteria will be a compromise and somewhere in between. That is why you won't find something that is really stellar at both.

So....the Bridge is a pretty good choice with a slight bias toward the soft snow end and the Blizzard Cronus (2010 version) is right in there as well also with a little bias toward softer snow. The Dynastar Sultan 85 and Nordica HR Pro Burner are both a little better on hard snow but not quite as good in soft.

I test about 50-60 skis a year and those are all good choices. If I still lived in Stowe, I'd have one of those four in my quiver.


SJ


 

wow I wish I could ski that much. I know i'm asking for a ski that handles good on two opposite conditions and we all have to compromise until someone makes a ski that handles amazing on all terrain even dirt, but until then its one or the other lol. I am just looking for a ski that will allow me to ride in soft snow and powder and not just dive the tips into the snow, like the ones I have now do. So the nordicas will do well? From reading the forums i put the p-90's over the bridge because the bridge seamed to be more of a park ski.

And i was at the ski shop the other day and the guy told me that volkl has a guarantee that if you do not like them after trying you can bring them back. Has anyone heard of that?
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
 wow I wish I could ski that much. I know i'm asking for a ski that handles good on two opposite conditions and we all have to compromise until someone makes a ski that handles amazing on all terrain even dirt, but until then its one or the other lol. I am just looking for a ski that will allow me to ride in soft snow and powder and not just dive the tips into the snow, like the ones I have now do. So the nordicas will do well? From reading the forums i put the p-90's over the bridge because the bridge seamed to be more of a park ski.

And i was at the ski shop the other day and the guy told me that volkl has a guarantee that if you do not like them after trying you can bring them back. Has anyone heard of that?
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by miguelf88 View Post

 wow I wish I could ski that much. I know i'm asking for a ski that handles good on two opposite conditions and we all have to compromise until someone makes a ski that handles amazing on all terrain even dirt, but until then its one or the other lol. I am just looking for a ski that will allow me to ride in soft snow and powder and not just dive the tips into the snow, like the ones I have now do. So the nordicas will do well? From reading the forums i put the p-90's over the bridge because the bridge seamed to be more of a park ski.

And i was at the ski shop the other day and the guy told me that volkl has a guarantee that if you do not like them after trying you can bring them back. Has anyone heard of that?

If anything, the Prophet is slightly more park oriented than the Bridge. I know what the brochure says but the Bridge is an all mountain ski cleverly disguised as a twin tip. The sidecut is set back like an AM ski, the flex is firm in the tail like an AM ski, and the taper is high like an AM ski. The Prophet has a softer tail, less taper, and a more centered sidecut. Neither is really a park ski at all but the Prophet is somewhat closer to one than the Bridge.

I know for sure that Nordica and Dynastar have the satisfaction guarantee. Volkl has never had this in the past although I suppose they might have that now. IAC, my Rep hasn't mentioned it to me. Keep in mind though.....the satisfaction guarantee usually requires that you don't just get a refund, you have to trade in the ski you don't like for another ski from the same brand.

SJ
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
 Alright thanks so much Jim, you were great help. I am going to go with the Bridge, hopefully be getting them this weekend.

I am new to this forum and I already love it! 

I also see that you are a boot fitter, i just have a quick question. i bought new boots last year and after being broken in, my heel is starting to lift a little bit, was wondering if The Eliminator would help or they just a waste of money?
post #15 of 17
I noticed that you have a couple of pairs of carvers already in your quiver. 

I think the Bridge will be a good choice, but I (personally) wouldn't be as concerned with hardpack performance as you've already got that covered with the carvers.  Having both a carver and a mid-fat in the quiver gives you the option to select the right tool for the conditions.  Drag out the carvers when you're skiing on icy groomers - pull the Bridge when you want to go play in the trees.

You wouldn't putt with a driver ... no sense asking 1 ski to handle all the conditions you're likely to find in the east!
post #16 of 17
The eliminator might help depending upon why your heel is lifting. Then again, it might not or it might disguise the true problem for a while. The most common cause of heel lift is a boot that is either too large a size, or a boot that has too much volume. In either case, you don't notice a problem at first because the liner is fresh. Then as the liner compacts and starts to break down, you begin to get heel lift. There are other possible reasons as well but those two are very common ones.

SJ
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
 ok thanks again SJ, you were great help.

and oldeastern, i did realize that and that is why i am going with the bridges, because it is more bias to soft snow. i don't know why i forgot to mention that, it went over my head until just yesterday.
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