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Vermont or Utah?

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Apologies if this isn't in quite the right place, it's a little more wide ranging than straight up resort talk.

I've got the opportunity to spend a year in America on an international exchange from next autumn... err... fall (). I have of course narrowed down potential destinations to those with nearby ski resorts... The front runners, it would appear, are Utah and Vermont. There's also a possibility of Denver, but I've been there and got the (Coyote Ugly) t-shirt (so to speak).

Utah seems ideal as Salt Lake City has a great selection of great resorts (with frequently great snow) right on the outskirts of the city. I'm even sure I could cope with some peculiar drinking laws for a year...

Vermont seems a little odd (from a Brit's point-of-view - note comments on public transport). I'd be living in Burlington, but there seems to be no, even remotely easy, way of getting to the selection of resorts nearby (here, I should note, I do not drive). It seems a typically pretty New England town and has a reasonable selection of mid-size hills within an hour, but no public transport whatsoever to get to them on... Confused Any idea if there are easy ways to get to these hills from Burlington?*

Any thoughts warmly welcomed.

*If necessary, please tell me I'm a numpty and should learn to drive (and possibly a couple of tips on how to put some money into the economy when I arrive by getting lessons and licensed ).
post #2 of 28
I was skiing in the BC the other day with a couple friends and this sort of topic came up. Burlington is a terrific place to be and transport to and from the resorts in VT is probably just a matter of joining a club, posting some rides wanted notices and keeping your ears open.

VT (and New England) has (have) great places to ski.

The benefits of UT are generally well expoused on this forum. Just a vote for considering VT.
post #3 of 28
Skisimon,

If skiing is your main priority, then deffinitely go to Utah... and I live in Vermont and have lived in Burlington.  Skiing is good here, but nothing like Western skiing...  Out west: longer runs, faster lifts and more of them, bigger ski area's, better snow, ski bowls, NO ICE, wider trails, and yes, better looking ski bunnies.

 
post #4 of 28
Never skied in Utah but if I was going to plant my butt for a season somewhere, Utah would be right at the top. Just so much too choose from. Not sure how your exchange system works as far as allowing you to have a car or not. But SLC has transportation to get you to the resorts. Plus your in a big city with everything you could ever want with in 10 miles of you. Pretty hard to go wrong. 

Only other place that would be great would be if you could find a family in Eagle county CO to take you in. That Epic Pass could get a work out and you'd ski dirt cheap all season long. :) 
post #5 of 28
Here's the thing, I love VT but we get these thaw and freeze cycles here in the east. Winter will be will be going along hunky dory and then it will suddenly get real warm and real wet at the same time.  As soon as the rain stops the temperature plunges and everything turns to ice.  Eventually, it snows again and skiing gets good again and then...well I'm sure you get the idea.  In UT it snows and then the sun comes out for a few days and then it snows some more.  The choice is yours.
Edited by crank - 11/19/09 at 2:22pm
post #6 of 28
Come to UT, if weird liquor laws and religious fanatics are enough to discourage you, I would warn you from coming to this continent at all.

However... One thing worth mentioning is that if you are coming for the fall semester (Late August - Mid December), then it really doesn't matter much where you go. There won't be much more than a few weeks of good skiing anywhere before the end of the semester.  If you plan to stay on after the school is over and then we are talking.
post #7 of 28

Hi Simon if it was just about a ski trip i'd say go to Utah, been there, can't miss as far as the skiing goes.

You say you're here for a year though. I'd like you to consider that the unseason in New England is awesome too, not too hot close to the Atlantic and all that fresh seafood, just so many different things to see and do, and the skiing isn't anywhere near as bad as some would lead you to believe, just saying.

post #8 of 28
While to say Utah skiing is head and shoulder above Vermont is still understating it, comparing the "unseason" between Utah and Vermont is ... well... sorry I can't quite find the words.

Bryce, Zion, Arches... 5 National Parks, and how many national monument??? All in the little state of Utah!!!
post #9 of 28
Have you considered other options, with better skiing than Vermont and perhaps richer, more varied options for life in general than Utah? Seattle, for example.
post #10 of 28
unless you're one of those chavs that has to have your tennant's super lager to have a good time, i don't think you'll find the liquor laws in utah to be much of a problem.
post #11 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the thoughts and advice thus far. Quite interesting, and a few points which I will continue to ponder and look into (particularly regarding driving).

There's something about VT that's pulling me though (despite Utah's obvious lead on the skiing front). I've always wanted to visit the North East and it would give me an opportunity to travel around the region a bit at weekends.



Ah well, if a decision was easy, it wouldn't be worth making...
post #12 of 28
You know the snow and mountains will be better in Utah.  But food for thought in considering Burlington.  It is a very nice college town set on a pretty and large lake.  Sort of a cross between Heidelburg and Luzern and Luzern and has a very attractive restaurant/pub/shop district in center of town.  Vermont is a very beautiful place to tour during the summer, perhaps the nearest thing we have in the US to Switzerland's combination of agriculture, mountains and tourism. You will be about an hour from three ski areas that are considered among the very best for challenge and conditions in the Northeast US;  Stowe, Sugarbush and Mad River Glen.  Virtually all other top Eastern ski areas within 3 hours.  You will be within striking distance for weekend visits to NYC, Boston, Montreal, Quebec City, all great for cultural exploration. I could go on, but what you lose in awesome skiing and mountain biking and desert vistas/canyonlands, you'll gain in more cultural depth.
post #13 of 28
My background lived in utah for 3 year and have been to vermont maybe 40 days in my life and will be living in Vermont this year.


 Utah has better skiing than just about anywhere in the world. Its about as charming as roadkill though. You do have public transportation to the mountains of alta,snowbird,solitude, and brighton though. The skiing in utah is heads and bounds better than Vermont, in fact from a snow stand point its might be the best in the world. Powder skiing here makes you forget all the other short comings.

Vermont is quaint and quiet with people who just seem friendly. the skiers are argueable more into their sport. Burlington is sweet little town that reminds of a cleaned up south side of pittsburgh. the skiing is sub par compared to utah when judged on conditions alone, but is interesting and with a variety of off pistes run to keep me happy. North Eastern tree skiing is some of the most fun you can have, westerns never get to experinced that. If you live in burlington with out a car you will be at the whim of sometimes sketchy ski bums for rides to your job.

Stowe has walkable village, and shuttle to get you to the mountain, if you are able to get a job there. i am sure other resorts will be doable if you live at the resort.

Quite honestly if I had one season I would work in Utah knowing what I know, but I could see myself living in Vermont for a long period of time before trying to live in utah. the halfway point in this is some place like Washington State IMO. 

FYI being a Brit means you can work in Whistler BC, why is that not an option? I would kill to work in Whistler as an american i was laughed at with a Level 2 though I dont think having a level 3 helps either.
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
Skiing is, unfortunately, just an aside for this trip. If it was a case of skiing being the main priority then I would doubtless be heading to Utah, Colorado or back to Whistler.

Thanks for the input.
post #15 of 28
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 Its about as charming as roadkill though.

 
Great post by Bush, he really nailed it on the head. Utah for a season, Vermont for a life, kind of thing.
post #16 of 28
Yeah but...  You guys are talking SLC.  I spent a season in Park City a ways back and found the area somewhat charming with an interesting history and plenty of back country to explore.  Then I moved to Heber for a while and there were lots of cows... a lot like VT.  That said, I'm leaning towards moving to VT in a few years.
post #17 of 28
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While to say Utah skiing is head and shoulder above Vermont is still understating it, comparing the "unseason" between Utah and Vermont is ... well... sorry I can't quite find the words.

Bryce, Zion, Arches... 5 National Parks, and how many national monument??? All in the little state of Utah!!!

That's ok at_nyc thanks for trying but I think Bushwacher found the words I was looking for. Roadkill  , too funnie Josh, piles of rocks, tumble weeds and goats  .
post #18 of 28
 
The best thing about skiing in utah is its cheap because of SLC.

but the worst thing about living in Utah is SLC.

The state is amazing and beautiful everyday of the year, but is very much the american west with huge expanses of land that you need a car to access quickly.

where ever you decide to go let us know, I am sure the collective can help you out in some way or form.
post #19 of 28
I think the worst thing is the inversion. But then I don't live in SLC. The air polution is a whole lot worse in UT than on the east coast.
post #20 of 28
 also consider coming for the spring FYI.
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by jimmy View Post

That's ok at_nyc thanks for trying but I think Bushwacher found the words I was looking for. Roadkill  , too funnie Josh, piles of rocks, tumble weeds and goats  .
 
Beauty to the eye of beholder.

A friend from the west spend a year in Boston. His comment (not mine) about the east: "There're those damn TREES!". When pressed about what so damning about them trees, he replied: "they block the view"!

While I don't share his opinion about trees, I do see a lot more in "piles of rocks" than many.
post #22 of 28
My two cents: Born and raised in Pittsburgh for 25 years, and skied east coast since age 15.  I have been out West for the last 15 years (CO, NM, & UT), and currently live and ski in Utah.  I would never consider going back to ski in the East.  To be fair, I've never lived in VT (thought about it ... but came to UT instead), but the skiing in UT is a different world than east coast skiing.  The sun shines, the sky is blue, the terrain is varied to give you whatever you want, and the snow is powdery and fun to ski in (regardless of packed powder or chest-deep fluff).  The East is known for ice, and while powder exists, get ready to learn how to edge on ice.  UT can get a bad rap for the religious and alcohol stuff, but it's honestly not a big deal (and this comes from a big beer drinker).  BTW, Park City and SLC have some of the best microbreweries and beer.  Good luck with your choice.  I don't think you can wrong either way.
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by at_nyc View Post



Beauty to the eye of beholder.

A friend from the west spend a year in Boston. His comment (not mine) about the east: "There're those damn TREES!". When pressed about what so damning about them trees, he replied: "they block the view"!
 
That's pretty funny. I had the same thought the first time I drove east with my family, at about age 15. Total claustrophobia on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. I couldn't SEE anything, the sky was just a strip of gray above my head. Shudder. I was relieved when we finally got to Kansas, on the way back home to CO.
post #24 of 28
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That's pretty funny. I had the same thought the first time I drove east with my family, at about age 15. Total claustrophobia on the Pennsylvania Turnpike. I couldn't SEE anything, the sky was just a strip of gray above my head. Shudder. I was relieved when we finally got to Kansas, on the way back home to CO.

 

LOL!

I grew up in area with lots of trees. Actually, FOREST! So I'm used to the claustrophobic of the east. I even like it in the fall when the trees turn colorful!

But unlike some of my fellow east coaster, I found the "rock pile" of the west stunningly beautiful!
post #25 of 28
UT, Just a pile of rocks.


































It really sucks there is nothing to do and all the snow went away this year. Don't come here.
post #26 of 28

Hi Tim UT Rocks, see you this march?

post #27 of 28
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Hi Tim UT Rocks, see you this march?


Certainly, Keep in touch an let me know when you will be around.
post #28 of 28
Ive been skiing in Vermont for over 20 years and I vacationed to Utah.  Snowbird, Alta, and Park City are the only ones that I can vouch for but they are awesome!  Even the "ice" (so call it the locals) is soft and your edges can really bite into it.  The powder is out of the east's world...consistant, fluffy and floaty.  Dont get me wrong, Vermont is pretty sweet but there is no copmparison when it comes to the quantity and quality of the snow in Utah.  The average snowfall in Vermont is somewhere around 280 inches a year and Utah is somewhere around 500 inches of snowfall a year!  I would not have gone on a vacation from my usual Vermont to Utah if the snow wasnt going to be better...May I state the obvious..Utah "Best Snow On Earth." according thier licence plate slogan

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