Yeah, I know...it's a long shot. Maybe I can find someone from Joisey who only walked around in the lodge with them. No offense to our friends from The Garden State..... Besides, it gives me something to look for at swaps. I've tried on some different Langes in the past and didn't get very far with them. I've never tried Fischers. I'll have to try a pair if I can find a local shop that carries them. I was close in my Atomic Ride 9.0's, but no cigar. That and the fact that they fell apart.