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post #1 of 20
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The pictures are all from the same sequence. The ones on the right look different because the camera zoomed out and I enlarged them. If seeing the video (750kb)would help, let me know, and I'll e-mail it to you. milesb@epicski.com
post #2 of 20
Looks vaguely familiar, but I don't see the Fosters
post #3 of 20
Sure. I like the way your are keeping your head up and looking down the hill.

The first thing I'd like to see you improve on would be the way you are banking to the inside of your turns.

Notice the way your inside hand and shoulder are dropping towards the inside of the turn. Also look at the bend you are creating in the inside pole and the snow flying off the basket as you are leaning on it to keep your balance.

Maybe try taking a few runs without your poles. In order for you to stay balanced and not fall towards the inside you will have to let your outside hand and shoulder drop over the outside ski while keeping the inside hand and shoulder higher than they were before. While you are doing this you should feel a "pull" on the inside of your waist and a "roll" on the outside.

Remember: you don't want your head and shoulders to drop towards the inside of the turn with your hip.
post #4 of 20

Some nice moves going on there. Good steering movement of the inside ski and of the CM across the skis into the turn.

To pick some things to work on, I'd start with making sure the CM moves forward into the new turn, not just across the skis laterally. In the top right photo, the lower legs are pretty vertical, and your mass got pretty far back. By the picture on the bottom left, it doesn't seem to be a cronic problem, but something that happens once in a while. You can also notice the tip of the inside ski is in the air, but the tail is on the ground. This is another clue that your weight got back. One thing that I notice that does seem to be consistant, is that, while your inside ski steers nicely through the turn, the edge angle isn't complimenting the outside ski. Notice how your knees are always together, but your feet are apart (A-Frame)? This means your inside ski is not edged as much, and if you were to put any more pressure on it, it will get very skiddish, and be hard to control. An exercize I learned, that works on this, is to tie a piece of string, patrol tape, or caution tape (anything can can be broken, so that you don't get hurt) around your knees, loose enough that you can get your knees about 6-8 inches apart. Try to ski without letting it fall down to your boots. One other, minor, thing that I see, is that you ski with your hands very low (below your waist). This will tend to hunch you over. I'm wondering if this wasn't caused by being a bit tense in front of a camera. But otherwise, your hands stay very nicely out front.

All in all, some very nice skiing. Not a lot of wasted or counter productive movements.
post #5 of 20
The video might prove to help see things more clearly.
I noticed a few things here which might show on the tape, your feet seem to be very close together, but as you begin the turn the outside ski does seperate, tho the inside ski remains fairly flat. Somewhat if an A-frame. Also watch the body position for upper and lower body seperation, in the pics it would seem that your body follows the turns. Hand position looks pretty good
I would like to see the tape, I am shure some of the others can add more insight, but this is what I've seen.

I have a few ideas for what you could do, imaine you have a volleyball between your knees try to keep the skis about 6-10" apart or basically a shoulders width. Look at where your feet are when you stand up from a chair, usually about that. Second, try this on terrain with a comfortable groomed slope, get into a tuck position and proceed down the hill, now roll both skis onto edge. This forces you to have a wider stance and also to some degree use both skis. And Third try skiing with both pole tips brushing the ground, this will help you stay a bit more level in your turns.

The pics i was refering to, A-frame left #3, stance width, left #1 right #4.

Spent too long on looking at the pics and they beat me to it.
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post #6 of 20
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Here's how to see the video: go here- http://www.freedrive.com Username is milesbennett. Password is miles. Look in the file titled epicski. it is video 12. Highlight it, and click "download". It should work on Windows media player. If you are using Quicktime, you may need this: http://asu.info.apple.com/swupdates.nsf/264eb185562a53f2862567ed00685a00?CreateDocument <FONT size="1">

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post #7 of 20
Miles, I presume that is you skiing in the sequence. I have one thing for you to try.

Instead of pushing your knees through the turn, push your hips. The reason is that if you push your knees, as is shown in the sequence, you compensate by doubling up to keep balance.

Now go out and do the same turns only this time push your knees forward by leveraging them though your hips. Imagine your thigh bones from your hip to your knees as pistons and you bend your knees ALWAYS by pushing your hips FORWARD in the direction of your ski tips which guarantees that your CM never gets back behind the bindings.

Bending your knees should never entail a compensatory movement to the rear of your hind end, necessitating a doubling over to get weight forward and keep balance, rather the effect should be that your hips move up and down over the bindings when you bend your knees.

The only two shots where your body position looks OK is in the bottom two shots on the left, there should be no need to double over as in the other shots. And contrary to what you may believe, making sure your hips stay forward will move you CM forward and you will still be square over your bindings, as John said.

post #8 of 20
there is something on your stumach.
post #9 of 20
...$.02 from the rising intermediate!..
Nice turns Miles... In the stills..trying to put myself in them..I might be tipping that inside ski onto the little toe just a bit more...opening things up a hair.... added with a slightly more relaxed_but_Dynamic stance...Ott's hips/knees info..etc..
post #10 of 20
MilesB- Good skiing!!! Great advise as always a couple of activities to try.
1. Just conceptualy when you ski think about the inside leg creating the edge angle and pulling the outside leg to match. To many of us set the angle with the outside and then try to match it with the inside.

2. Have a friend ski in front of you and drag their pole to make a line in turn shapes.(they can stick it next to their boot as they make turns down the hill)(make sure they are an accomplished skier) Now put 1 ski on one side of the line and 1 on the other. follow the line through the turns keeping 1 on each side and don't erase the line! (may feel awkward at first but I think you will feel how active your inside leg needs to be)

3. Do railroad tracks on flat terrain but only focus on tipping the inside ski don't even think about the outside. (I assume you know RR tracks?)

4. Ski on 1 ski

5. From a traverse tip your inside ski away from your stance ski and allow it to carve away then tip it back and have it carve back. Try not to push it! Feedback is the track in the snow, it should be a thin line out and back and the stance leg should be a thin line traverse. (this helps feel the range your leg has and how active you can make it)

Hope these help! TodO
post #11 of 20
Tough to really say based on one turn, but your upper half looks kind of stiff to me.
post #12 of 20

Wish I had more time, but got to run. Looking at the photos, I would say there isn't much in the way of banking going on here. Look at the outside knee, it's bent. ---------Wigs
post #13 of 20
Thread Starter 
It is AVI format. The problem is the proprietary compression codec, which does not come with older versions of media players. Here is the codec for Windows media player. http://appsr.intel.com/scripts-df/download.asp?menu=&url=/1373/eng/codinstl.exe&title=Codec+Installer+%5BCODINSTL%2EE XE%5D&fullpg=2&site=Support
Sorry about that. My software will only save in that format. I've tried converting to mpeg, but it didn't work very well. Let me know if it works. Also, if you use a late version of realplayer, it will ask you if you want to download the codec from thier site.
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanx all. I am steering very aggresively (you can see this much better in the video), and you are right, I need to get the inside leg out of the way. Am I correct that some of you are suggesting that I lead the steering with the inside foot, sort of a reverse wedge? BTW, this is an open stance for me, as my hips are very narrow!
post #15 of 20
I was able to watch the video w/realplayer
post #16 of 20

We would call that a "diverging parallel", and, no, I'm not advocating that. I think the steering is good. I'm talking about getting the lower legs parallel, so that both skis are on equal edge angles. Don't read anything else into that. Just equal edge angles by means of having your lower legs parallel to each other. Get that inside knee away from the inside knee, and down toward the snow.
post #17 of 20
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post #18 of 20
Miles, I watched the video on RealPlayer and there is really nothing wrong with the turns you make, but I still think that straightening up your body and getting your hips three inches forward would help you a lot...

Maybe your boots won't let you bend your knees unless you bend over from the hip, try unbuckeling your top buckle. Ankle, knees and hips bend as a unit. If only your hips and knees bend like hinges, the fanny goes back and you have to counteract with a forward bow...but on the whole I wouldn't worry about it...just your hands are held a little low, making it necessary to swing the forwarms up to plant the poles.

And get that fanny pack on your fanny, where it belongs

post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanx, Ott, but I think that there are quite a few things wrong! Besides the obvious backseat thing, I should be using a much higher edge angle for this sort of turn, the inside knee thing mentioned above, and a general lack of energy.
post #20 of 20
Miles, don't beat yourself up about it. I looked at the video again just now and there is no need for higher edge angle in the soft snow you are skiing.

In my opinion your skis are doing just fine in that turn, it is you body position I would try to correct. It takes the weight of both arms and hands forward and the bowing of your upper body for you to be balanced over the center of your skis.

You are NOT in the back seat or you wouldn't be able to make the turn like that, your behind is way back but you have compensated with arms and body bowing, so the center of mass is actually over your bindings but you need these contortions to get it there.

Also forget the slight A-framing, it's not worth worrying about.

You actually need to get your hips forward over your bindings. Try some bellybutton skiing. Without poles and with your hands in your pockets, pants or jacket pockets will do, stand up fairly straight, start skiing and project your bellybutton in the direction you want to go and keep pushing with your bellybutton all the way around the turn.

Don't arch your back, still keep a slight forward break at the hips and angulate as needed, but constantly think that you need to get that bellybutton around the turns and down the hill and IT is pulling everything attached to it with it and BEHIND it.

As I mentioned before some time ago, you must feel that gravity is pulling the mass of your body, you, down the hill, (which it is) and you are pulling the skis behind you because they are attached to your feet.

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