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post #1 of 40
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what on earth is there to dislike about this place and the skiing it has to offer?  why do people think it is overrated?  It seems to me that vail has everything to offer.  i understand $92 bucks is waaay expensive, but coming from Kirkwood, Bear Valley, Heavenly, and others that are around $60, I feel like i get waaay more skiing done in vail due to the quality and speed of lifts.  yes, it's very populated, but it is soooo big that i've shown up an hour after opening and laid fresh tracks for an hour in blue sky basin.  When I went there, I just couldn't find one thing wrong with it.  If anyone wants to bash vail, here's the place, i want to hear it.  and yes, i do realize that vail attracts quite a few foreigners and douche bags.  aside from that though.  
with your criticisms, please feel free to offer better Colorado alternatives to these ails.  thanks.
post #2 of 40
 My complaint of Vail is that there is nothing really steep.
post #3 of 40
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 My complaint of Vail is that there is nothing really steep.

i can live with that gripe.  REALLY steep and fun are not always synonymous for me, especially from my experience, the steepest hills get bumped up and i avoid moguls like the plague.
post #4 of 40
I have ridden DH bikes at Vail a fair amount. The place is flat, makes for some good bike terrain but very boring in terms of skiing. The bowls they have are not steep at all. If you like cruising groomers you could have fun there. As far as a place to challenge yourself it is not worth the money to me.
post #5 of 40
I like Vail. I've had a lot of fun at Vail. Vail is undeniably an awesome resort. But if you want to bash Vail, steeps is a good place to start. Vail has some steep terrain. It's not a lot and you're not likely to find most of the good stuff without help. Even with the fast lifts, Vail can get crowded. The parking situation can get annoying. And all of the "fur" walking around the village apres ski has sometimes left me with a "this place is too snooty for my tastes" impression.
post #6 of 40
If you aren't staying in the village, it's a pain in the ass to get around.

Although now that I'm thinking about it, the last few times I've been there have been with large-ish groups, so everything was a pain, multiplied. On my own, not so hard. 
post #7 of 40

I'm guessing most of those that dis Vail are destination skiers. If you go for a week and it doesn't snow, it blows. Its just big then.

I go to Vail pretty much just on powder days. It has proven fun in the spring, too.

If all you want is steeps, then its not for you.

As often as not if I'm driving for pow, I drive a little further west. Summit and Eagle counties are difficult to predict. It can dump at Vail, be dry at Breck and BC just gets a little. Or Copper gets slammed and the rest get nada. Snow reports arrive on my phone by 6:30 and I know where I'm going by 6:31.

In general, I like that everyone is looking for steep first and foremost. Thank you TGR and MSP. And build more parks! There isn't any fun terrain anywhere else on the mountain.

post #8 of 40
I like Vail, I just don't like the ticket prices. Funny, I didn't like the ticket prices when Vail was $7.50 and Loveland was $5. I also don't like the hassle of getting from the parking lot to the lift. The terrain is mostly agreeable for me. I like having lots of paths to choose from. The times I've been there have been very enjoyable from a skiing standpoint.

Last time I skied there it was free. While heading east on I-70 in Lakewood, we stopped to check out a broken down stretch limo. The people in the limo were desperate to get to the airport and there was no hope for the limo company to send another car in time to do that. We took them to the airport in our rust bucket Suburban (I could see the road thru the floorboard in front). They rewarded us generously and a week later we got a voucher in the mail for lift tickets and lunch at Vail for the whole family.

I hadn't been skiing for about 9 years at that point, and it would be another 9 years before I skied again. It was a great day, if not for the fact that one of my Nordica Slaloms exploded.
post #9 of 40

I’ve never understood the often palpable hatred for Vail that is posted by a few .  But frankly, outside of a lol read, those who “bash” Vail are not seriously considered. 

Epic skiers in general are a sophisticated group who have skied many mountains all over the planet and understand and exploit the unique qualities of each.  Certainly thread discussion avoiding those conditions that minimize a great experience such as cars, costs and crowds while maximizing the unique qualities is a welcomed benefit of this community. 

As for me...hitting spot on a blower day in Vail’s BSB is a one of a kind epic day.  I’ll leave the hate for those who can’t relate

post #10 of 40
I don't get it either.  I love steeps, but certainly don't *need* them to have a great day/trip.

When I lived in Denver, my two favorite areas were A-Basin and Vail.  I logged the majority of my vert at these two areas.  A-Basin fed my need for steeps and nothing beats Vail for just being out there in the wide open bowls, especially with fresh.

The one and only reason I have not returned to Vail in the 12 years I have been away from Denver is the cost.  I can fly to and ski other areas for a week for far less $ than Vail.  It was much more affordable when I was a local day tripper.
post #11 of 40
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Originally Posted by segbrown View Post

If you aren't staying in the village, it's a pain in the ass to get around.

Although now that I'm thinking about it, the last few times I've been there have been with large-ish groups, so everything was a pain, multiplied. On my own, not so hard. 
 

My fiance's family has a place there, and a shuttle picks us up 50 ft from their house and drops you off 100 yards from ticket counter and a lift.  if you drive and pay the $20 you can park downstairs, and it's about a 200 yard walk to a ticket counter which is 50 feet from a lift.  If you think that is difficult, I'll warn you in advance.  DO NOT GO TO BEAR VALLEY, and steer clear of kirkwood too.
post #12 of 40
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Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post

what on earth is there to dislike about this place and the skiing it has to offer?  why do people think it is overrated?


Other than the 90 minute lift lines and the almost $100 tickets, it's ok.  If I lived in Denver, I'd  buy an Epic Pass and ski it regularly along with 50,000 of my closest friends.

But I don't live in Denver and if I'm going to get on a plane to ski, Vail is fairly far down on the list. 
post #13 of 40
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post

I’ve never understood the often palpable hatred for Vail that is posted by a few .  But frankly, outside of a lol read, those who “bash” Vail are not seriously considered. 

Epic skiers in general are a sophisticated group who have skied many mountains all over the planet and understand and exploit the unique qualities of each.  Certainly thread discussion avoiding those conditions that minimize a great experience such as cars, costs and crowds while maximizing the unique qualities is a welcomed benefit of this community. 

As for me...hitting spot on a blower day in Vail’s BSB is a one of a kind epic day.  I’ll leave the hate for those who can’t relate


+1   Just don't ask me to ride a Specialized cuz I hate them
post #14 of 40
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Other than the 90 minute lift lines and the almost $100 tickets, it's ok.  If I lived in Denver, I'd  buy an Epic Pass and ski it regularly along with 50,000 of my closest friends.

But I don't live in Denver and if I'm going to get on a plane to ski, Vail is fairly far down on the list. 

 

The lines at vail do get LONG, but they move very quickly.  I've never spent more than 20 minutes in a line.  have you skied there or just heard of the crowds, because i know it's well crowded, but long wait?  don't think so.
post #15 of 40
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The lines at vail do get LONG, but they move very quickly.  I've never spent more than 20 minutes in a line.  have you skied there or just heard of the crowds, because i know it's well crowded, but long wait?  don't think so.


20 minutes is ridiculous.....anything more than 4 or 5 minutes is intolerable.....you must not know how to get around at Vail if you are waiting 20 minutes.
post #16 of 40
Funny, because of these things many of you say about Vail, have also been said about Breck.  Was at Breck and everyone was complaining about lift lines (Martin Luther King weekend), where I waited no more than three - five minutes to get on.  That's nothing.

Grew up in LT, skied Utah, Colorado, and everything in between.  I've never had longer lines that I did in Tahoe.  Ultimately, the terrain in Tahoe is similar to that everywhere else - it's just the size of the mountains (and therefore the diversity of terrain at each resort) that Tahoe can't compete with the others.

My thoughts?  Go to Vail, have fun.  Go to Breck, have fun.  Go to Keystone, have fun.  Go where ever, and have fun.  Who cares what everyone else thinks.   
post #17 of 40
Man you guys are uptight!  Everyday on skis is a good day whether it's at Vail or anywhere else.  I have skied at Vail a total of 3 days.  I loved it (it snowed the whole time).  Easy to find some out of the way skiing and lose the crowds.  Cheer up!
post #18 of 40
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+1   Just don't ask me to ride a Specialized cuz I hate them
 

WHAT…my Specialized SL carbon bullet gets me over Vail pass to Golden Peak to ski mid winter…does yours .

[Actually Dawg, heading out for a ride today.  If it’s dry and over 37 degrees w/o massive headwind Betsy and I are out spinning…come join us…we and our group let non Spec riders paceline with us  ]

post #19 of 40
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Man you guys are uptight!  Everyday on skis is a good day whether it's at Vail or anywhere else.  I have skied at Vail a total of 3 days.  I loved it (it snowed the whole time).  Easy to find some out of the way skiing and lose the crowds.  Cheer up!

LIKE IT.  Now that’s the stoke  

post #20 of 40
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My thoughts?  Go to Vail, have fun.  Go to Breck, have fun.  Go to Keystone, have fun.  Go where ever, and have fun.  Who cares what everyone else thinks.   



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Man you guys are uptight!  Everyday on skis is a good day whether it's at Vail or anywhere else. 

 

IMO, these guys get it.
post #21 of 40
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  I've never spent more than 20 minutes in a line. 
OMG, I would kill myself. Those were the lines 20 years ago and more, before
high-speed, high-capacity lifts. I stood in a few 45-minute lines a loooong time ago, but now??
post #22 of 40
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Originally Posted by guroo270 View Post

 have you skied there or just heard of the crowds, because i know it's well crowded, but long wait?  don't think so.

Yes, I've skied Vail.  Yes, I've waited in 45 minute lift lines at Vail. Yes, I've watched people hike lift-served terrain there because it was faster than taking the lift.

BTW, I have not experienced 90 minute lift lines myself, but that's what the people who were coming out of BSB were saying.  Judging by the crowds, I believed them.

I've only been there twice (you might understand why).  But of the 50+ resorts I have skied, Vail was the most crowded by at least a factor of 5. 
post #23 of 40
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OMG, I would kill myself. Those were the lines 20 years ago and more, before
high-speed, high-capacity lifts. I stood in a few 45-minute lines a loooong time ago, but now??
 

it's been a LONG time since i've been to bear valley, but i don't think there was more than one chair, and NO chairs to the top, where you spent LESS than 25 minutes in line/on lift.  even if there are long lines in vail, once you are on (which is usually in 10 minutes) the longest you will be on a chair is like 4 mins. 
post #24 of 40
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20 MINUTES IS THE MOST I HAVE EVER SPENT THERE IN 1 LINE.  I GOT THERE A COUPLE HOURS AFTER OPENING AND IT WAS THE LIFT RIGHT NEXT TO THE TICKET COUNTER.  ON AVERAGE I WOULD SAY THAT I WAIT BETWEEN 1-3 MINUTES. 
whereas the one time i went to heavenly, i went to the backside (not sure about specifics as it was about 15 years ago) where there was some pretty big party/concert.  There was 1 lift to get back to the frontside, and it broke down (generator power only).  Everyone was in line to get back over to the front.  We spent at least 2 hours in line.  That is ridiculous. 

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20 minutes is ridiculous.....anything more than 4 or 5 minutes is intolerable.....you must not know how to get around at Vail if you are waiting 20 minutes.

 
post #25 of 40
Vail's ok, it gets good snow and the back bowls are a nice feature.    

What I didn't like when I lived there. 
Crowds
Lobster trap speed controls
Yellow Jackets yelling at people to slow down.
The on mountain food sucked, they used to truck it up from the communal kitchen in Eagle.

If I lived in Denver, I would probably have an Epic Pass and ski there.  But if I was going to book a destination vacation, there is no way I would pay full boat to stand in line in Vail.  

270:  Have you checked out Aspen.  The classic pass isn't as good of a deal as the Epic, but IMHO the skiing is better.
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Originally Posted by DonDenver View Post

As for me...hitting spot on a blower day in Vail’s BSB is a one of a kind epic day.  I’ll leave the hate for those who can’t relate


Having shared a blower day in BSB with you, I'll concur. 

Vail is great.  Is it my fave of all time?  No, but I'm biased (Utah native, after all).  But I haven't had a bad day at Vail, ever, because there's just so much mountain there that it's easy to find a place to like.  When I want crazy steeps, I can go to many other places (including down the road at Beaver Creek).
post #27 of 40
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Vail's ok, it gets good snow and the back bowls are a nice feature.    

What I didn't like when I lived there. 
Crowds
Lobster trap speed controls
Yellow Jackets yelling at people to slow down.
The on mountain food sucked, they used to truck it up from the communal kitchen in Eagle.

If I lived in Denver, I would probably have an Epic Pass and ski there.  But if I was going to book a destination vacation, there is no way I would pay full boat to stand in line in Vail.  

270:  Have you checked out Aspen.  The classic pass isn't as good of a deal as the Epic, but IMHO the skiing is better.
 

Lobster trap speed control?  please ellaborate.
No, I haven't checked out Aspen, and it will probably be a little while until i get to explore colorado skiing  to its fullest extent (finances).  That sounds weird when I'm talking about Vail, but i have some family with a place there.  I need to be able to form my own opinion though about which is the best, Vail, A-Basin, Breck, Telluride, Crested Butte, or Aspen. 
post #28 of 40
You want bowls. Go to Vail. You want long bump runs. Go to Vail. You want great crusisers go to Vail. Fast lifts go to Vail. Mellow terrain. Go to Vail. Steep Chutes, probably won't like Vail . But 9 out of 10 isn't bad.

As for long lines. They exist. Can't ski around mid Vail at peak times. I'd say less than 25% of their lifts are crowded at peak times. Maybe I don't know any better but for me Vail is the best . I think the parking garage rate at $25 is obscene . Riding the bus back to West Vail to the hotel because I can't justify the rates in town a bit of a hassle (but free).

I've always had a blast at Vail and always felt fortunate being a flat lander to ski there . First western mountain I ever went to, skied around a bit since and haven't found anyplace yet that compares for as favorably. Plus with the Colorado Card it ammortizes out to be about $35 a day and April free. 
post #29 of 40
Vail is short on long steeps.  There are plenty of tiny (and I mean really tiny) STEEP walls that have ski-able terrain and some "have to jump into stuff" the problem is they max out at maybe 150 long before you get back into another section of comfy expert terrain.

Sure there are rich social types that are there for the show, but if you are skiing near them you are in the wrong places.

Sure there are chairs that can have long lines, but then there are chairs like 26 that serves nice intermediate rollers and a few short bumpy (easier) expert shots.  26  does not even have a maze. A ski on every time I have been there.  There are plenty of places to avoid the lines and plenty of places where you can "box yourself in" at the wrong time of day.

The bowls are just plain fun skiing.  Nothing like the terrain at Alta or Snowbird, but line upon line of fun places both on and off the map to ski on.

If you are looking for a place that causes accelerated heartbeat, Vail ain't it.  If you are looking to have a fun day on the hill in a place with outstanding scenery and generally good snow, Vail is your place.

If you think the food sucks there, try the Wildwood at the top of chair 3.  I can smell the Hickory burning on the first lift ride up # 3 and usually hit the place for pulled pork or ribs either side of noon.

Yep.............it's expensive if you aren't holding a Vail Resorts Pass that lets you ski there.  Yep......$ 25 a day to park sucks.  Yep......lodging / food / gas etc etc are expensive if you have to purchase that stuff there.  BUT.....there is the pass.....there is some free parking if you search it out, you don't have to fill the car up in Vail and jackets have pockets for food if you don't want to stop or really want to go on the cheap.

Frankly.....I really like the place. 
post #30 of 40
Take Skyline express into Blue sky basin, go on the left and drop somewhere around "Steep & Deep"

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 My complaint of Vail is that there is nothing really steep.
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