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post #1 of 21
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Any thoughts about Ron Lemaster's new book?

I'm really big on it. 
post #2 of 21
 Wait, you're on the cover in a big picture?
What do you mean you're big on it?







jk

Just ordered it, thanks for the heads up, I loved the first book.
post #3 of 21

Really good book.  Very dense, you kind of have to go through it a couple of times.  I was at Ron's talk in Boulder two weeks ago where his pitch talked a lot about the book and kind of got into some extensions of some of the things he was getting into.  For my summary of his presentation in Boulder, more of my thoughts about Ultimate Skiing and Ron's way of thinking generally, see my posts in these two threads:
 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/87267/balance-inefficiency-in-the-last-1-3-of-the-turn-in-advanced-to-expert-skiers/0

 

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/87190/wc-ski-technique-impressions-from-soelden-gs-opener

post #4 of 21
My copy arrived today.  It looks PACKED with info, I'm going to really enjoy reading this I can tell.
Edited by borntoski683 - 11/17/09 at 8:40pm
post #5 of 21
Yeah, there is tons of great stuff...let me know what you think once you get into it a little more...



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My copy arrived today.  It looks PACKED with info, I'm going to really enjoy reading this I can tell.
post #6 of 21
 The bad news is, I haven't gotten any work done today.  The good news is I'm half-way through it.  
post #7 of 21
 Mine is on the way from Amazon, I can't wait.  Got a socket wrench for set $8 with it so I got free shipping.  Socket wrench set cost almost nothing!
post #8 of 21
Mine is on its way from Anazon too! 
post #9 of 21
This book is a complete letdown..I thought there would be Frisbees.
post #10 of 21
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This book is a complete letdown..I thought there would be Frisbees.


 
post #11 of 21
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This book is a complete letdown..I thought there would be Frisbees.
 

Relax--there is a sequel in works, "Ultimate Falling," where LeMaster uses his signature photo montages to show downhill and super-G world cup racers crashing dramatically off jumps.  The people, there, are the frisbees...

SfDean

(Who has, in fact, frisbeed, but not yet in the ultimate way.)   My order, too, is on the way from Amazon.
post #12 of 21
Ok, read it.  Its good.  Its better then the first one.  I highly reccomend it.  

Might I dream of a day when all L2 and higher instructors are tested on it?

In some ways its like a second edition of "The Skier's Edge", there is a lot of material that seems rather verbatim the same, but substantially enough reworked or entirely new material to warrant calling it a new book.  Some concepts from the first book are just covered in more detail or in a better way.  There are many little additional topics that I don't recall having been mentioned in the first one.  He admits openly in the forward that he didn't get a couple of things quite right in "The Skier's Edge" and he believes he has corrected those concepts in this book.  Apparently he consulted with a very long list of pros in different fields; including racers, race coaches, ski instructors, physicists, etc.  Its obvious to me from some of his comments that PSIA folks have been talking with him and got him to think outside of the racer box.

All of the images are much improved.  He has gone out of his way to cover recreational skiing topics just as much as racing, including photos of Jerry Berg and other PSIA folks.  Even BB got a photo op in there!

A lot of little points that get bickered about a lot here in Epic have been covered and if you take his word as gold, those arguments can be put to bed at last.  I almost felt like he must have been reading Epic posts over the years and thinking, "alright I need to put all these debates to an end once and for all".  

I found myself agreeing with almost everything he had to say about skiing.  He clarified my thoughts in a few areas.  I particularly liked his section on how a ski works in terms of steering angle and carving.  I also particularly liked the section where he talked about what the pros are currently doing with their inside ski.

I did not agree 100% absolutely with everything written in the book, there were some niggle points that I'm sure will come up in future discussions, but I don't want to mention those now because right now I believe the book deserves praise.  I wish everyone on this Forum would be required to read it before making any posts at all about how THEY think skiing works.  It doesn't mean they need to agree with LeMaster on absolutely every little thing, but I do think he clarifies so many fundamental issues about how skiing works that it can end a lot of little petty arguments that tend to happen on this forum from people making guesses at it.  His first book was like that too, but this one does it better, more clearly, with better pictures and updated for technology changes.  

In a word, get the book!
post #13 of 21
Amen, brother, meaning in terms of the discussions here on Epic.  It's pretty easy, I suppose for someone to say, in response, "Oh, yeah?  Well, what the heck does he know?"  I think what makes it real for me is that (a) Ron's willing to change his mind and (b) he's an empiricist, meaning, here is a photomontage of some skiing that demonstrates what we're trying to do...so what is happening here?  Of course, I've seen, um, discussions here on Epic where given the same photo montage, we still get widely divergent points of view re what is really happening.  But I think Ron provides a pretty sound basis for what his eye sees, and here I'm thinking about his extensive discussion of the forces that occur in skiing, what human anatomy can and cannot do, and what the ski (or, more precisely, the ski boot combination) can do as a tool. 

Speaking of tools, that's what I'm looking for in a book like Ron's, or in a coach...which is an interesting discussion, because I've been lucky enough to have him coach me, and what you see is what you get, meaning he coaches just like he talks in his books...and more, important, it works, or at least it did for Yours Truly.  Where I was going with that was any time I read a book, get into a thread here at Epic, work with my coaches and teammates on the hill, whatever knowledge I'm trying to gain and whatever viewpoint I'm trying to express is just to find another tool to help me go where I want to with my skiing or to help one of my teammates get to where he or she wants to go.  My latest tool is the "3 click' turn, my invention, as far as I know, which I describe elsewhere on Epic.  I've used it with a couple of my teammates lately, and they feel like it's helping them to see something that I'm seeing about contemporary skiing.  But what I always tell them is "I'm not trying to prove I'm right, this is just another way to look at skiing and how to make it better.  Think of skiing as being something that, changes, but at any point in time, pretty much just is, like a sculpture in the middle of a room.  The way I coach is 'Here, let's try looking into the room through this window.  Did ya like that?  Good, then use whatever insight that was to go wherever you want to with your skiing.  That window was a little dirty, or maybe was a little rose-colored, or just didn't provide the perspective that you expected?  Fine, let's go look through another window..."



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Ok, read it.  Its good.  Its better then the first one.  I highly reccomend it.  

Might I dream of a day when all L2 and higher instructors are tested on it?

In some ways its like a second edition of "The Skier's Edge", there is a lot of material that seems rather verbatim the same, but substantially enough reworked or entirely new material to warrant calling it a new book.  Some concepts from the first book are just covered in more detail or in a better way.  There are many little additional topics that I don't recall having been mentioned in the first one.  He admits openly in the forward that he didn't get a couple of things quite right in "The Skier's Edge" and he believes he has corrected those concepts in this book.  Apparently he consulted with a very long list of pros in different fields; including racers, race coaches, ski instructors, physicists, etc.  Its obvious to me from some of his comments that PSIA folks have been talking with him and got him to think outside of the racer box.

All of the images are much improved.  He has gone out of his way to cover recreational skiing topics just as much as racing, including photos of Jerry Berg and other PSIA folks.  Even BB got a photo op in there!

A lot of little points that get bickered about a lot here in Epic have been covered and if you take his word as gold, those arguments can be put to bed at last.  I almost felt like he must have been reading Epic posts over the years and thinking, "alright I need to put all these debates to an end once and for all".  

I found myself agreeing with almost everything he had to say about skiing.  He clarified my thoughts in a few areas.  I particularly liked his section on how a ski works in terms of steering angle and carving.  I also particularly liked the section where he talked about what the pros are currently doing with their inside ski.

I did not agree 100% absolutely with everything written in the book, there were some niggle points that I'm sure will come up in future discussions, but I don't want to mention those now because right now I believe the book deserves praise.  I wish everyone on this Forum would be required to read it before making any posts at all about how THEY think skiing works.  It doesn't mean they need to agree with LeMaster on absolutely every little thing, but I do think he clarifies so many fundamental issues about how skiing works that it can end a lot of little petty arguments that tend to happen on this forum from people making guesses at it.  His first book was like that too, but this one does it better, more clearly, with better pictures and updated for technology changes.  

In a word, get the book!
 
post #14 of 21
hhmmm... still waiting for my copy to arrive in the mail. I'm dying to learn something new about skiing. Thought the first one was pretty good with a couple minor issues that I didn't quite agree with. Looking forward to checking this version out.
post #15 of 21
 Got mine on Tuesday. I've only skimmed through it so far, but it looks like it will be a great read.
post #16 of 21
I ordered and received Skier's Edge and Ultimate Skiing.  Did the same as SMJ to get the free shipping from Amazon.  Reading them in order but did skim through US.  Also read everything on alignment in US before my daughters bootfitting.  Made the light go on...finally.

It's amazing how many things I never thought of, but when I read it (in either book), I realized it couldn't be anything else and made perfect sense.

I wish I had more experience skiing so I could apply more of what he is saying.  Plan is that the knowledge gets me where I want to be quicker.
post #17 of 21
 would this book be as useful for the beginner/novice/intermediate as the advanced skiier, however?...or not?
post #18 of 21

Useful to all skiers.  Note that Ron also has written The Essential Guide to Skiing, which I'd also recommend as being generally useful to skiers of all levels...

 



 

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 would this book be as useful for the beginner/novice/intermediate as the advanced skiier, however?...or not?
post #19 of 21
how is this book for beginners?
post #20 of 21
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how is this book for beginners?

It depends how ski nerdy they are!
post #21 of 21
Yes!  I won my "signed by the author" copy from the Contest for Epic Skis!   The book, and Epic Ski rock!

Thanks EpicSki!
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