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Huge Trouble, Blower, and S7

post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
 Can you guys compare these three skis?  I only have experience with the Blowers.  I am interested in the performance of those skis in Tahoe snow on a powder day both in the morning and in the afternoon.  I have other skis in the quiver for regular days, so I am not looking for huge versatility. 
post #2 of 13
Thread Starter 
 Come on, guys- no one has an opinion?   Let me tell you why I am asking.  I was a little underwhelmed by the Blowers last season as a soft snow ski, they do a good job, and they bust through cruddy snow and spring slosh pretty well, but they need a little bit more work in true powder than I'd like.  Either I am a whimp, or their normal camber and substantial stiffness gets in the way.  To me the Blower feels more like a fat big mountain ski than powder ski.   I was wondering whether going to a no-camber ski like HT would be much of a help, or whether I should go all the way to a full-blown rocker tip ski like the S7 or any of its clones JJ, BentChetler, etc.  Any wisdom is greatly appreciated.  I do realize that skiing powder in Tahoe usually means skiing piles of cut-up snow.  I still enjoy it. 
post #3 of 13
To me, the Huge Trouble feels more like a super wide all-mtn ski than a dedicated powder ski. Yes, it's very capable in the powder due it's width, but it's not as floaty or quite as nimble in the fresh as I'd like it to be. It's absolutely superb in the crud & cut-up and so is an excellent in-bounds fresh snow board.

But if you're looking for super floaty, soft and slarvy there are better options such as the s7. And that's why I have both. s7 for the epic days, HT for clean up duty.

disclaimer: I skied my HTs a lot last season but have yet to ski my s7s as of today. So any feedback I give on the s7 is a cumulative synopsis of feedback provided by others here and local folks whom I trust
post #4 of 13
since you arleady have a great little soft snow, cut up crud, spring slosh ski in the Blowers. GO big. The HT arent worth looking at as TSW said.

Demo stuff like the S7, bentchentler, and Hellbent and make your choices from there. They are all pretty good skis with slight differences.
post #5 of 13
Thread Starter 
 Guys- Thanks for the advice.  I am actually thinking of replacing the Blowers on the fat end of the quiver, not adding to them.  My daily-driver ski is the Mythic Rider (or maybe the Mojo94 this year), and I am thinking only of an inbounds powder ski.  Most of powder at Squaw is cut up within the first 20 minutes, so I am mindful that I will not skiing fields of virgin powder- maybe once a season if I time the chairs right. So stability is important.  But I still want my powder ski to be nimble in the trees.  Is Huge Trouble significantly better than the Blowers, or would the rockered ski give a much higher performance?
post #6 of 13
I don't think it's a matter of higher performance. It's a matter of feel. The HT & s7 ski differently but both are more than capable of getting the job done.
post #7 of 13
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

 Guys- Thanks for the advice.  I am actually thinking of replacing the Blowers on the fat end of the quiver, not adding to them.  My daily-driver ski is the Mythic Rider (or maybe the Mojo94 this year), and I am thinking only of an inbounds powder ski.  Most of powder at Squaw is cut up within the first 20 minutes, so I am mindful that I will not skiing fields of virgin powder- maybe once a season if I time the chairs right. So stability is important.  But I still want my powder ski to be nimble in the trees.  Is Huge Trouble significantly better than the Blowers, or would the rockered ski give a much higher performance?

 

why not just keep the blowers?

The thing is the thing that make even the Huge trouble a better powder ski make it not as good as crud as the blowers, and the blowers arent even that good.

but in lines with what your thinking look at the Huge Trouble, Atomic thugs from last year, Line Mothership, Pm Gear FKNAs, and various other wide bodies fat and with out alot of shape.

I personally own the thugs and love them. They are a flat cambered, 192cm 140/121/131 and in powder are nimble but yet stable at super fast speeds. They tend to float on top of crud instead of busting though it and are totally workable on groomers and bumps. The thug also has made fakie landings in powder easy. After skiing some other skis though like the Motherships I think the slightly rockered tip combined with the stiffness of the mothership make it a better all around than the thugs, I still enjoy the thug cause deep down I am jibbing snowboarder at heart and like the poppy playfulness.
post #8 of 13
Alex, If you can get something for the Blowers, and that puts you into a different ski at the fat end of your quiver, sell em. They are so betwixt and between, not very good for anything we get. Your interest in the HT (new sixth sense huge) and S-7 is a better idea.



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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

 Come on, guys- no one has an opinion?   Let me tell you why I am asking.  I was a little underwhelmed by the Blowers last season as a soft snow ski, they do a good job, and they bust through cruddy snow and spring slosh pretty well, but they need a little bit more work in true powder than I'd like.  ......
post #9 of 13
How much do you weigh?  It makes a pretty big difference in the width of ski you may want to choose. 

I know it is tough due to wide skis, but try and demo if you can.  I have found that wide skis diverge pretty quickly in terms of performance, even those that are somewhat similar in dimensions, camber, sidecut et cetera.  Some that "should" be great at speed in crud aren't, and some that look like deep-snow only skis tend to be surprisingly versatile. Hard to say for sure without demoing.

From your description (new snow for a couple of runs, cut-up the rest of the day), those conditions seem to shout for a really wide, all-mountain ski over something powder-only; something like the HT.  Much of Tahoe is so steep, that it is so easy to release at the end of  the turn, as it is a matter of just relaxing, letting your body float, and allowing the skis to release and float up, that you probably can get away with something different than if you were skiing deep snow on low-angle snow, where a really wide reverse sidecut ski would be more useful, due to lack of momentum/gravity. Around here, something like a Pontoon or Praxis Powder can allow a skier to ski our low-angle 20-degree slopes that aren't access-able on normal skis.  Then again, you do get a lot of heavy snow, which could cancel that advantage out.   

You have probably read my review, but I had a blast on my Elan 1010's last year at Squaw. I couldn't imagine a better all-day wide ski for that resort. But, it sounds like you don't want an everyday, 6-18" new snow ski: you are looking for that really big ski that floats on anything.  If that is the case, then you might want to go bigger, with a tip designed first and foremost to release in lousy snow.  You can always go back to the car and get the wider all-mountain ski when the terrain gets cut-up.
post #10 of 13
Thread Starter 
Scott- thanks got the reply. I am 6 ft, 187lb, so about an average size for a tallish guy. My impression certainly is that a really specialized ski like Pontoon will be useful at Squaw for about 6 hours the entire season. Of course it's those hours that you remember. But sine I could afford only one ski on the wide end of the quiver, I realistically looking at either a flat or the early rise ski. HT does fit the bill on many points, I just wanted to check it would be too stiff or too conventionally-cambered for really good pow performance. Sounds like I should try to sell the Blowers (davluri- thanks for the nudge) and get the HT. S7 is probably the ski I really want, but it is too expensive and may not be great at the end of the day skiing piles of cutup snow. And the S7 I really need to demo before even thinking of buying it.
post #11 of 13
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Originally Posted by alexzn View Post

 Come on, guys- no one has an opinion?   Let me tell you why I am asking.  I was a little underwhelmed by the Blowers last season as a soft snow ski, they do a good job, and they bust through cruddy snow and spring slosh pretty well, but they need a little bit more work in true powder than I'd like.  Either I am a whimp, or their normal camber and substantial stiffness gets in the way.  To me the Blower feels more like a fat big mountain ski than powder ski.   I was wondering whether going to a no-camber ski like HT would be much of a help, or whether I should go all the way to a full-blown rocker tip ski like the S7 or any of its clones JJ, BentChetler, etc.  Any wisdom is greatly appreciated.  I do realize that skiing powder in Tahoe usually means skiing piles of cut-up snow.  I still enjoy it. 

Any of the ski's your interested in have been reviewed here: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104129
I am about your size and use 184 MR's most of the time. For a fresh dump that isn't to deep, I just bought some 190 Praxis Back Country's. You should read the review of it here: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=156616 Tip and tail rocker, flat camber 105 underfoot and from what I have read, a great ski for Mammoth/Tahoe. For deep days, Praxis Powders in the 195. There is no better ski for deep pow, period. They kill piles of cut up pow.
Interesting take from Nick on the Blowers here: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=103841
Edited by liv2 ski - 11/16/09 at 5:25pm
post #12 of 13
I have the HTs and my buddy has the S7, we both ski squaw - in bottomless snow the S7 is more fun, more effortless, unfortunately at squaw by 11 AM your looking to call it a day or change to another ski if you have the S7, I stay on the HTs all day and enjoy the cut up leftovers without getting tossed around so much.

The HT behaves like a much more traditional ski, the S7 less so
post #13 of 13
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by broken_arrow View Post

I have the HTs and my buddy has the S7, we both ski squaw - in bottomless snow the S7 is more fun, more effortless, unfortunately at squaw by 11 AM your looking to call it a day or change to another ski if you have the S7, I stay on the HTs all day and enjoy the cut up leftovers without getting tossed around so much.
Yes, this is what I always keep in the back of my mind- Squaw has never had a true powder day after 11 am , so a more traditional wide flat-cambered ski seems to be a better ticket.  
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