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post #1 of 26
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I have done a bit of searchig and have read Dawgcatching's excellant review of this ski. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of other user input here on this model, however.

Has anyone had any experience on this ski? The Progressor 9 seems to get the spotlight here.

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post #2 of 26
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post #3 of 26
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Nobody has anything to add?

I know this model doesn't have the appeal and glam of the 4x4 and Progressor 9, but certainly there are some East-coasters here who have been on this ski, even just for a demo. 
 
post #4 of 26
 MojoMan I think the other thread you had that we discussed this ski was pretty good wasn't it?  As to me I haven't posted here because I think I said all I could on that thread.

edit: sorry wasn't your thread.  here's a link to the thread I'm talking about.

do a search as well there's been a lot of stuff on this ski I think.

http://www.epicski.com/forum/thread/86528/fischer-ski-recommendation#post_1132600
post #5 of 26
I have and love my Progressor 8+ in 170cm.  Versatile ski for the East which can do just about everything well.

Mike
post #6 of 26
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Thanks guys. Really, what I am looking for is a bit more versatility without sacrificing the nimbleness and quickness of the RX8. The RX8 will still be my go-to ski but I would like to add something a tad wider that I can take to places in the East -- somethign to use on the groomers after it gets all chopped up in the afternoon and something that also works well in bumps.  I get tired of dragging along the IM77 and really am looking to sell it off as I rarely use it anymore. I just have taken a dislike to all-mountain midfats in general. I ski mostly groomers and prefer skis under 75mm. Anything wider, just takes the fun out of it for me. I have heard a lot of good things about the 8 over the past few weeks while researching. Unfortunately, I have not been able to demo this model. Last year I did try the Progressor 9 175 but thought it would be a waste as I rarely ski at the speeds that make the ski fun. The 9 wants to run and does not like Eastern Icey bumps, at least not with the technique with which I ski them. Below 15MPH it is a tank and does not like to do much of anything. It kicked my rear on the icey bump run at HV. Too much work. The only negative regarding the RX8 for me is I wish it was a little better in afternoon crud -- this is where it sarts becoming a little sketchy, especially on steeps.
post #7 of 26
The 8's are much more nimble then the 9's and like lower speeds just fine based on my one hour of skiing them on an intermediate mountain.  I never got going fast on them due to the crowds and I loved them on blue groomed trails, that's all I had at my disposal.

As to being a crud buster, I can't say, but they should be fine, it's more about technique.  Most likely you will use them instead of the RX8's, not in addition to them, I think the overlap is close to complete.  If you get a different length then your RX8's that would give you some variety.  I skied the 8's in 170 and have a pair of 165 RX8's which is a nice combo.  However I've replaced the short turn go to ski with Blizzard WC SL's also 165.

Not a lot of experience on the 8's, but based on my research and my demo I think they will be the perfect all around eastern ski, and excellent in the west - frontside.
post #8 of 26
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Thank you kindly mangojazz.

Can I ask one more question? In your limited time on the skis, did you sense that the P8 was less quick edge-to-edge than the RX8? Also, I like that zippy, light, and solid feel of Fischer skis -- especially the on-snow feel. Would you say that the P8 retained this?

I am asking as I have a limited time to score quite a deal on the P8 and am just trying to decide. Garsh blarnit, I wish I demoed the P8 last season. I skipped the P8 and went to the Head booth.
post #9 of 26
 You haven't said what length your thinking about and your weight/height.

The 175 might not be that zippy, but neither was the 175 RX8 (I had a pair.)
The 170 Progressor 8 was very much like the quick edge to edge Fischer feel that I too love.

I would buy them if you get a great deal, always nice to buy skis after all. 

Seriously though you're asking the wrong guy since I did buy them, so obviously I like them!

However dawgcatching (who's reveiws I trust) loved them and said they were like an upgraded RX8.  Others have said that they are more GS race based, but they did not feel like a long turn biased ski to me.  Very versatile.
post #10 of 26
Mojo, you will not be disappointed in the P 8+.  Same light feel and easy edge to edge transitions as the RX8 and that "fischer" snappy feel as well.  The P8 can do everything the RX8 can do and is better at speed than the RX8.  I had the RX8 before the P8 and loved it, but I wouldn't trade the P8 for it at all.  You won't need both the RX8 and P8+, they almost completely overlap and the P8+ does 95% of everything better.

SMJ, no 175 in the P8+, 170 is the longest length and that's what I have at 6' 1" and 185.  I had the 170 RX8 also and always regretted not getting the 175.  No such regret with the P8+, 170 is just fine.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Mike
post #11 of 26
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The P8 maximum length is 170. Why they don't make a 175 is anyone's guess.

I ski on the RX8 in 170. 6' 2" ~ 190 lbs. Solid Level 7. I downgraded my self-assesment from 8 to 7, when the Head Raptors taught me I am not as good in bumps as I thought I was.   The only gripe I ever had with the RX8 was it's performance in crud and chop. It just gets banged around too much for my liking there. I know technique has a lot to do with it, but to be honest, I would rather be on a ski that makes it easier when in this environment than work on technique with the RX8. I am not talking Western cut-up powder but the heavy Eastern slop that gets pushed around into piles by lunch time. This can be a little unnerving on the RX8 when moving at a fair clip.  The shovel gets deflected fairly easily, usually when I least expect it. Being in good balance helps, obviously, but it's not fun to get distracted like that -- which tends to happen a lot in crud on the RX8.  

In crud that is sketchy, that's when I bring out the IM77, but I have grown weary of this ski due to it's general lack of spunkiness. It serves the purpose but is not the most exciting ski and is quite damp. I am actually selling them to my cousin. I dislike the all-mountain midfats in general. All the ones I have tried will get the job done but lack excitement on the groomers. For me, they are "bring them out when you have no choice."
post #12 of 26
 Mojo as to crud I bet the P8 will be better then the RX8.  Mike?

The 175 RX8 was better in those conditions then the 165's by a lot.  I think the extra width and stability of the P8 will make that difference.  I'm also assuming they'll be better in the bumps then my Slalom carvers.  

I agree with you about midfats, I had a pair of Watea 84's (176) and skied them a bit last year.  Great ski, did well in the east on hardpack and well in Vail.  But not great in either.  The Slalom skis were far better for everything (even high speed long turns.)  The Watea's didn't really have any "float" so I sold them.  Now I'm thinking of the P8's and something in the 90's like the Volant Chubbs I seem to be inheriting for deeper crud and Western fresh snow days.
post #13 of 26
P8+ is much better in sloppy conditions than the RX8.  It doesn't get bumped around nearly as much.  I wouldn't call it a true "crud buster" because it's so lightweight, but it's lot's better than the RX8.

Mike
post #14 of 26
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Mojo, you will not be disappointed in the P 8+.  Same light feel and easy edge to edge transitions as the RX8 and that "fischer" snappy feel as well.  The P8 can do everything the RX8 can do and is better at speed than the RX8.  I had the RX8 before the P8 and loved it, but I wouldn't trade the P8 for it at all.  You won't need both the RX8 and P8+, they almost completely overlap and the P8+ does 95% of everything better.

SMJ, no 175 in the P8+, 170 is the longest length and that's what I have at 6' 1" and 185.  I had the 170 RX8 also and always regretted not getting the 175.  No such regret with the P8+, 170 is just fine.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Mike
 

Hi Mike, thanks.

I am not a fast skier but would consider myself fairly aggressive in how I like to ski -- quick turns, snappy, like to throw my skis around.  I am maybe 25 MPH tops most of the day. The only time I really let lose is early in the morning on the frehsly groomed hero snow. Skiing on the Progressor 9+, I felt I had to put some speed on it to really get it to come to life and get that zippy feel I am used to. I just don't ski fast enough on a regular basis to really use the P9 to it's full extent. It would be total overkill for me. Also, the P9 was a truck in the bumps -- for me, at least.

That's why I am eye-balling the 8. From what I read, it handles equally well at any speed and most under conditions outside of a foot or more of new snow. Would you concur with this?
post #15 of 26
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 Mojo as to crud I bet the P8 will be better then the RX8.  Mike?

The 175 RX8 was better in those conditions then the 165's by a lot.  I think the extra width and stability of the P8 will make that difference.  I'm also assuming they'll be better in the bumps then my Slalom carvers.  

I agree with you about midfats, I had a pair of Watea 84's (176) and skied them a bit last year.  Great ski, did well in the east on hardpack and well in Vail.  But not great in either.  The Slalom skis were far better for everything (even high speed long turns.)  The Watea's didn't really have any "float" so I sold them.  Now I'm thinking of the P8's and something in the 90's like the Volant Chubbs I seem to be inheriting for deeper crud and Western fresh snow days.
 


I know what you mean. I guess it all depends on preferences and style. For me, I just spend so much time on groomers in the East that the Midfats just seem to be relatively unexciting compared to the 70ish groomer cruisers -- more effort to edge, slow response, lethargic in bumps. I thought I might like the new Head IM78 based on the sidecut and reviews, but I really didn't care for it. Compared to the IM77, it has more energy and character, but still, it was neither peppy nor spiritied -- it just turned a lot easier than the old one. I really don't know why midfats are so popular with groomer skiers.  
post #16 of 26
 MM, your description of your skiing makes the P8 seem even more appropriate.  If you say you "throw your skis around" that means pivoting as opposed to carving.

One thing I focused on in my demos that day was how well a ski handled that type of approach, as well as how well it handled side slipping, pivot slips and flat 360's.  The P8 did all of that really well, while carving really well also.   Some of the other skis I demo'd carved but didn't like skidding or slipping or twisting as much.

I was looking for a versatile ski to help improve my bump skiing.

The Progressor line having less sidecut behind the foot seem to be a great setup.  They release from the turn easier then a true short turn ski, but enter the turn quickly.

Go for it!
post #17 of 26
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz View Post

 MM, your description of your skiing makes the P8 seem even more appropriate.  If you say you "throw your skis around" that means pivoting as opposed to carving.

One thing I focused on in my demos that day was how well a ski handled that type of approach, as well as how well it handled side slipping, pivot slips and flat 360's.  The P8 did all of that really well, while carving really well also.   Some of the other skis I demo'd carved but didn't like skidding or slipping or twisting as much.

I was looking for a versatile ski to help improve my bump skiing.

The Progressor line having less sidecut behind the foot seem to be a great setup.  They release from the turn easier then a true short turn ski, but enter the turn quickly.

Go for it!
 


I think your assesment is correct. I do not ride my tails but I use rotary way more than riding a clean edge on turn entry. Unless it's real icey, I usually am using a pivot entry.  One thing I noticed with the P9 is that it likes to be on edge-- like all the time. Certainly soft edging was doable, but it took work.

Anyways, I think I just might go for it.  New Gear ! Now I am going to have to buy my fiance new skis.

Also, thanks mango and mike for the feedback.
Edited by MojoMan - 11/16/09 at 4:52pm
post #18 of 26
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Also, while we are on this subject, does anyone know why the P8 is maxed out at 170?  Makes no sense why they would not offer 175 and 180 for the P8 given that the P7 goes to 175.
post #19 of 26
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Now I am going to have to buy my fiance new skis.

 lol - same EXACT thing happened to me last year when I bough the Watea's.  I had to buy her a pair of midfats too.  End of season we sold both pairs and I used the money to buy the Progressors.  
post #20 of 26
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Also, while we are on this subject, does anyone know why the P8 is maxed out at 170?  Makes no sense why they would not offer 175 and 180 for the P8 given that the P7 goes to 175.
 

I have no idea. Progressor 9+ also goes to 175.

Mike
post #21 of 26
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 lol - same EXACT thing happened to me last year when I bough the Watea's.  I had to buy her a pair of midfats too.  End of season we sold both pairs and I used the money to buy the Progressors.  


Maybe I can get off easy and she might just want a  new ski jacket.
post #22 of 26
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It is done. Gotta love pre-season sales. Actually, my fiance was pretty ambivalent as I didn't really outlay any cash, considering I sold the IM77 ($200) to my cousin and also sold my Contact 10's($300) at a ski swap this year -- wasn't using them enough. Progressors for $440 + free shipping from SuburbanSport -- actually found the supporter link at this site. Not too many people have last years model inventory left and the new skis are at their regular season prices. The guy I talked to was checking and said I got the last 170 pair off the rack.  

My lowly quiver is now the RX8 and Progressor 8. I learned to simply rent the wider stuff or midfats when really needed as I rarely make use of them for where and how I ski.

Speaking of the Contact and IM77 -- had mixed feelings about letting them go but I spend so much time on the RX8. The Contact 10 is an excellant ride but lacked the character of the RX8. It was more stable and versatile, not as quick or energetic.  I have just grown to appreicate the feel of Fischers.  

The IM77 got the job done. It was a bulldozer in crud and varable conditions but it is probably the most uninspiring and damp ski I have ever been on. 




 
post #23 of 26
 Rock on MM!  I have done the same thing for a few years, selling skis to buy new ones.

Enjoy!
post #24 of 26
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Skis already arrived--that was pretty fast. I got around to unpacking them and noticed a few things about the ski. The 170 P8 appears to be shorter than the 170 RX8 -- lengthwise on the running service. I thought it was perhaps due to the more conservative tip shape of the P8. Side-by-side, however, the RX8 is noticeably longer.

Hand-flexing the sk, the P8 definately has a softer tip. The stand height w/binding is also a bit smaller. They are also lighter than the RX8 -- no surprise, as there is no metal. The topsheet is very nicely done and looks like those found on race skis--polished and slick. I don't read much into graphics but they definately have a more conservative scheme than the wild orange and green colors fischer likes to use on their consumer skis: plain white up front and black towards the rear. It will be eaiser on the eyes while riding the lift..lol. I have to admit, I find the orange color-scheme on the RX8 to be mildly annoying.
post #25 of 26
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Just an FYI...

For anyone interested, the Progressor 8 has a Base/Edge of 1,2. I don't know why manufactuers never include this info at their web sites. I got the info from ski-depot. I have one of those adjustable bevelers I got from Tognar a while back and like to keep the edges sharp. I always use the medium diamond stone when I am done skiing to get out any burs. 
post #26 of 26
I actually believe that they are tuned 1/3 from the factory.  That's what I tend to tune all of my skis to for skiing here in the east.

Mike

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Just an FYI...

For anyone interested, the Progressor 8 has a Base/Edge of 1,2. I don't know why manufactuers never include this info at their web sites. I got the info from ski-depot. I have one of those adjustable bevelers I got from Tognar a while back and like to keep the edges sharp. I always use the medium diamond stone when I am done skiing to get out any burs. 

 
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