Originally Posted by

**NeedToSki**

Did you mean to say feet, not meters?

Last time I was there, Outer Limits did not seem like it was a sustained pitch of 29.5 degrees for more than 1.2 miles.

Yep, feet.

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Originally Posted by

**x10003q**

Outer limits measures out at approximately 683 meters or 2240 ft.

According to this link the Birds of Prey regular men's DH course average angle is 16.8 degrees - 8606 feet in length and 2484 feet of vertical drop. The Wengen men's regular DH average angle is 13.3 degrees. I think 24 degrees might be closer to an average angle of a FIS SL course.

http://www.gondyline.com/angle-of-ski-trails.php

Well, here's my sources, both Wikipedia, this for the Streif:

- "The length of the
*Streif* course is 3.312 km (2.06 mi).^{[12]}
- The starting gate is at an elevation of 1,665 m (5,463 ft) above sea level;
- the
*Streif* vertically descends 860 m (2,822 ft) to the finish at 805 m (2,641 ft).^{[12]}
- The average grade of the course is 27 percent (15.1 degrees).
- The maximum grade is 85% (40.4°) at the
*Mausefalle*; minimum is 2% (1.1°) ^{[13]"}

Can't find my source for Birds of Prey - did this in middle of night, half asleep - but this is Wiki's for the Birds of Prey. I'd guess that the average pitch, and a few degrees difference in citations, is all about where they start the course:

"For the World Cup downhill race in December 2012, the starting gate was at an elevation of 11,427 ft (3,483 m) above sea level with the finish line at 8,957 ft (2,730 m), a vertical drop of 2,470 ft (753 m). The course was 1.71 miles (2.752 km) in length,^{[4]} an average gradient of 27 percent (15 degrees), with a maximum gradient of 45 percent in the middle. Rahlves' time of 1:39.59 in December 2003 is the fastest in competition for the full course, an average speed of 61.0 miles per hour (98.2 km/h) and an average vertical descent of 24.9 feet (7.6 m) per second. The course that year had a vertical drop of 2,484 feet (757 m) and a length of 1.687 miles (2.715 km).^{[5]}^{"}

Ergo, I think we - and various other sources - are talking two different measurements, me pitch in percent (gradient), you pitch in angular degrees. 100Tan (angle of inclination) is variously called the "grade," "pitch," and "slope." It's the common way grade is expressed in surveying roads, etc. A 45 degree angle is a 100% gradient.

Edited by beyond - 10/19/15 at 7:11pm