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Granite Peak Bans Snowboarders From “Skier Only” Terrain

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Someone is trying to revive the 'boarder wars'.  This is not the way to go.  Seems pointless as patrol is not going to enforce it and boarders will harass any skier that dares to come into a park.   Looks like the local snowboard community is going to remain calm and use the telephone to lodge rational complaints.
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I ski a few days every year at granite peak and think this is a bad idea.  All this will do is create (more) tension between skiers and boarders at this hill.  As a guy who primarily skis park when I'm in the midwest, I could see this creating resentment toward skiers in the parks.  Besides, this doesn't solve Granite's real problems:  a lack of intermediate terrain, which forces lower intermediates looking to improve onto runs that are too steep for them, and the easy access from Chicago, which creates crowds and an attitude.

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I think this is a great idea.                                      But I need to remind everyone that I can be very evil. The cool part about really really bad ideas is that you don't need to waste any effort trying to kill them. The stronger you fight them, the more determined people are to do them. The faster they get implemented, the quicker they die from their own stupidity. Six trails down to 3? No, no no! Make it 9!

You see, there really are not a lot of ways for an owner to tell skier only snobs to man up and enjoy the fact that without snowboarding their favorite resorts would be circling the drain. If the owner told these folks what they really need to hear when they come whining, he'd just piss them off and lose loyal customers. Now he can do a nice little experiment, piss off the growing portion of his client base, suffer a net loss in traffic (hidden in the middle of a good snow year), declare victory, end the experiment and then make everyone happy.

There is no possible way for this "experiment" to succeed. Okemo used to have a skier only trail. Key words = used to.
Taos used to be one of those "over my dead body" no snowboarder resorts. Last season (the first full season of allowing riders) they saw 30% growth directly attributable to riding while their competitors saw a 30% decline in total visits. They have seen the light. I was riding at Taos at the end of last season. The reactions of skiers to riders varied across the board from encouragement to indifference to outright indignance. It might have been my imagination, but I got a a strong sense (e.g. body language, overheard discussions that faded as I neared) from a small minority of skiers that my presense really pissed them off. But I could also tell that these people knew how successful allowing riding had been, that there was no turning back and that complaining wasn't going to do them any good. They had had their say for years and they were proven wrong. My money is that the skier only crowd at Granite is in for a similar rude awakening.

At Whitetail, I've had guests complain to me about all the snowboarders sitting in the middle of the slope. It's sad and funny that I could see the same proportion of skiing guests (i.e. a 70-30 ratios of skiers to riders) standing in the middle of the slope (including the guest and myself - I was on skis at the time). When I started to point out to one guest that there was no effective difference between a stopped skier and a stopped rider and no significant difference in the percentages involved, I quickly saw the error of my ways. The guest was blind with respect to seeing skiers. The guest did not want to hear me tell him that there was not a problem. The guest wanted me to commit to fixing the obvious problem. The politest way to respond was to say "I hear you. I understand you. I will report this to the people who can do something about it." If he's not going to listen to me when I tell him he's full of it, why bother? When these kind of people complain loudly enough to SAM, you can't blame them for trying to avoid a no-win confrontation. SAM is supposed to listen to their customers and find some way to do what they ask without going belly up.

So kudos to Granite for having the courage to try this idiotic experiment. And kudos to Mad River, Alta and Deer Valley for having the courage to stay true to their loyal skiing customers in the face of overwhelming evidence that allowing snowboarding would improve their business. Still, maybe one more failed experiment like this one might be the straw of evidence to turn one more of these misguided resorts over to the dark side.

Bwa ha ha ha ha!
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Good analysis Rusty!  You weren't imagining things at Taos either. 

I find the most vocal complaining skiers are what I call GOM's (grumpy old men).  Seems that's who management at Granite listened to.  Those GOM's are going to be in for a rude awakening there. 

I too find that quite a few skiers don't see other skiers as having a problem, only snowboarders.  I actually see more skiers blocking trails at Winter Park than snowboarders.  I even took pictures one day.  I was going to post them here but thought better of it.

I'm starting to notice that elderly skiers have most of the 'issues".  The skiing population is aging so I'm not too surprised with that.   I think elderly skiers have the same issues elderly car drivers have - they are losing their ability to be aware of others around them.  When they suddenly hear a loud skidded turn from a snowboard, they are brought back to reality.  They then draw the conclusion that the snowboarder must have been too close to them, out of control, and nearly hit them.  Many of these skiers have marginal skiing skills to begin with so it terrifies them.  They complain to management.  I've seen this first hand.  When my father still skied he fit this profile.  I had to be on skis around him, the sound of the snowboard terrified him.

We had a perfect instance of this last season.   I was out with a film crew and people from marketing.  We were doing promotional shoots of the ski bikes.  We were being filmed coming slowly down an extremely wide run.   My boss and I reached the camera first and stopped to the side of it.  We watched everyone else coming down.   From the back we saw a skier come down the same trail from behind.  The skier didn't appear to watch where he was going.   The skier overtook one ski biker and plowed into the person riding it.  We caught the whole thing on film and kept filming.   The skier was an elderly guy who admitted he caused the accident by not watching where he was going and not following the Skier Responsibility Code by not yielding the right of way to the downhill person.   The elderly guy broke a pole when he crashed into the biker.  He wanted new poles even though he clearly caused the accident and admitted to causing it.   Just for good PR we gave him a coupon for a new set of poles.   The skier just couldn't see that a skier caused the accident.  He thought everyone else should be looking out for him and he didn't need to worry about anyone else on the hill.   I thought he should have been sent to Ski Patrol for re-education training.
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 Does Johnny Tsunami know about this?
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Originally Posted by telerod15 View Post

 Does Johnny Tsunami know about this?

he is too busy with emily

cute Sky eh?
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If it's really GOMs then they should probably ban skis over 70mm waist on those runs also.  After all, aren't shaped skis really just thinner snowboards and snowboards just really fat shaped skis?  It's not what you're riding, it's how your riding them......

(or not and sitting inthe middle of the trail messing with your bindings iinstead)
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