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post #1 of 18
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This one's for fun (and maybe some advice). Just worked out (tennis) with my son (high school junior) and then went to dinner. We talked about the search for a college which we're just beginning. He has a very great passion for skiing (at least as great as mine and that's pretty a lot) and would like somehow to be able to ski throughout college. He has a lot of interest in steeps, off-piste, and back country (takes after the old man but he's better). (In contradiction to this desire is the option to perhaps play college tennis). He is a very good student and should readily be eligible to get into a "1st tier" university or college. So, we are starting our search by looking at programs that either lead to or involve "snow science" (hydrology, geography, civil engineering, ...). We're very early on but any advice or comment is welcome. Now onto the "fun."

We finally decided that maybe he should just study skiing and then we can establish the University of Skiing as an alternative with him as our first assistant professor hire. Here are some of the course we felt should be in the curriculum:

Physics of Skiing I
Physics of Skiing II
Physics of Skiing III (open to upper classmen only)

Binding Mechanics I
Binding Mechanics II

Alignment Basics
Advanced Alignment (graduate seminar)

Ski Injuries I (biomechanics and etiology)
Ski Injuries II (rehabilitation)

Pediatric Skiing
Geriatric Skiing

Skiing Kinematics

The Percetual and Cognitive Basis of Motor Learning.

Comparitive Ski Instruction
(covering ATS, PMTS, Perfect Turn, Rapid Skier Development, and other ski instruction models - note GLM is no longer covered in this course)

OK, it's not very fair for us to take away all the easy ideas for courses so I'll stop here and see if anyone wants to join our curriculum committe.
post #2 of 18
Okay, I have to say it. SKI CONDITIONING, of course. Also, Women's skiing, with emphasis on both the anatomical and the psychological.

Sports Psychology
History of Skiing
Sport and Society
Skiing in the Arts and Media
Skiing in Comparative Cultures (comparing international differences between how mountain resorts operate}

I think Italy has a college degree program in Ski Instruction.
post #3 of 18
Avalanche / Backcountry Safety
Winter Camping
Environmental Issues in Skiing
Resort Planning and Management
Off Season Sports
Ski Bumming 101

and most importantly...
Drinking 101 [img]tongue.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 29, 2001 07:14 PM: Message edited 1 time, by rossi9irl ]</font>
post #4 of 18
Oh, and
Alternative Sports for non Skiers {Snow Shoes, etc.}
post #5 of 18
Don't forget Basic Understanding of Kinetic Energy and Its Effect on Human Body (a resistable force) When It Contacts the Earth (an immovable object) 101. I'm sure someone can come up with a shorter name... how about Oh This Is Gonna Hur...101!! :
post #6 of 18
Would that come under physics?
post #7 of 18
The University of Grenoble used to have a very strong ski biomechanics, physics and psychology coursework! This is when Joubert was there and Professor of the Scientific and Medical College there. I don't know if they still have as active of a program there . . . but the very fact of its present or former existance is just one more reason we get whipped so badly on the competition scene!
post #8 of 18
Great idea! But this college actualy exists.

The University of Maine at Farmington.
Ski Industries Program.

This is where I went to college and they offer a degree in elete ski coaching. all the physics requirments as well as 4 years of german and most of pre med.

They also have certificate programs in
Professional ski instruction
Alpine Coaching
Ski Business
Ski geology
These must be acompanied by a degree program such as Business Economics or Teaching for instance

It is a four year program but they won't kick you out if you stay longer, I checked. It is a great under grad program and is one of the hardest schools to get into these days I am told.

You can ski at Sugarloaf/USA or Sunday River. which are 40 minuets away from Farmington.

The schedule is like this you ski mon wed Fri and are requiered to work in a ski school for the duration of the program on weekends. "Normal" classes are scheduled on Tues, and Thurs. You will learn from some of the worlds best instructors and coaches from all around the world.

I left with 52 on snow college crdits

I just thought you might like to know that your utopia university does actualy exist. It could only happen here in the good ole USA

I highly recomend this to anyone that is thinking of geting into the ski business and is still considering college.
post #9 of 18
CMC - Colorado Mountain College offers degrees in Ski Area Management, Ski Area Operations and etc. And since its in Leadville you have access to world class ski terrain and facilities right there. Of course I don't know anybody who has gone there who actually ended up *running* a ski area since it really usually works via nepotism rather than qualifications.
post #10 of 18
Would studying for skiing exams take the fun out of skiing? :
post #11 of 18
Hey Si

The University of VT offers a B.A in Recreation Management I gradutated with one in '87 and I've been using it professionally ever since. I've had a great time managing my recreation. : Your son can ski Stowe, Smuggs, Bolton Valley, Sugar Bush and Mad River all within an easy hour.

U of CO in Boulder is a really good school. It a little bit of a cummute to get to the bigger ski areas in Summit country, but I know a lot skiers live there. My brother is getting his Masters in Journalism there. Butin the CO backcountry your boy will have to really watch his ass to ski safely. The continental snow pack there is extremely unstable a lot of the time.

Good luck with your own college!

post #12 of 18
Well - some of my PSIA and USSCA exams definately required studying . . . and I'm having more fun all the time! So I guess it depends on the student, teacher and subject!

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 29, 2001 10:31 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Todd Murchison ]</font>
post #13 of 18
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Si:
...Comparitive Ski Instruction:
Covers ATS, PMTS, Perfect Turn, Rapid Skier Development, ...

OK, it's not very fair for us to take away all the easy ideas for courses so I'll stop here and see if anyone wants to join our curriculum committe.

Say, shouldn't the title of the above course really be more like "Survey of Religions of Skiers"? (ducking and running)

Ommmmmmm, ohmmmmmmm, ....

Perfesser Tom / PM

PS - BTW, Professor Si, do you plan on establishing endowed chairlifts in the different departments?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ October 29, 2001 11:03 PM: Message edited 2 times, by PhysicsMan ]</font>
post #14 of 18
Dr Twardokens is a professor of bio-mechanics/skiing at University of Nevada Reno I believe.
post #15 of 18
Doesn't Maine require a foreign language?

French or German should be required.

Another course would be history of skiing in at least one other country.
post #16 of 18
I have a couple of thought on the various subject.

First, the mix of high end tennis and lots of skiing don't mix well. I tried it for a year, then gave up a scholarship and transfered to a school where I could ski more and worry about tennis and everthing else less. Any high end tennis program will have players on the court a number of hours a day six days a week even during the off season, and I found that coaches don't take well to having players miss any of these practices even if it is for somthing as noble as skiing.

Second, Your university of skiing should have a religon of skiing course.

Third, ESKI mentioned a recreation management program at U of Vermont, I had this same major at Plymouth State College in NH (withing 25 miles of three ski areas) and it was great. Most school have this as a major or an option that you can create yourself. At plymouth I made the major myself and it worked out perfect. I ended up with a recreation and a business degree combined into one. I was able to take courses that intersted me and do lots of practical field work (skiing). I would suggest looking into a degree program like this, it gives lots of room for tailoring the program to focus on the area that you are interested in. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #17 of 18
There is a school near Lkae Tahoe,

Sierra Nevada College at Incline Village

Pleanty of great skiing close by. Four year degree; Business Administaration with a concentration in Ski Business and Resort Management. The program is three fold, Ski business, courses ranging from shop operations, mountain operations, risk management, etc. Then there are hotel courses, F&B, room management, sales & marketing, etc. Third, your regular business courses. It is a small school with great hands on experiences.
post #18 of 18
to pile onto OKskibum's observations on high-level tennis...

Two things by David Foster Wallace that are really worth reding

1. the cumbersome but hilarious epic novel, Infinite Jest, which takes place mainly at a somewhat fictional upper-level tennis academy that is training young athletes for top-flight collegiate tennis and The Show

2. the collection of essays, A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again, in which Wallace regales the reader with an essay on competitive tennis and the craziness it requires

In short, I agree with OKskibum. Si, your son should choose one or the other, but he's not going to make it as a top-level armswinger if he's also wedded to skiing in the conditions in which ESki coaches people (hello MRG, hello Jay)

just my toonie fer ye
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