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Volkl P60 problem

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Maybe you guy/gals can figure this out.

Just bought a set of 175 Volkl P60 GS Racing ski's Marker 41 bindings with piston plate. Definitely a racing ski. I do NOT think this is the "Racing Stock" version but I'm not sure now... how does one tell the GS racing stock from the GS racing? 
I also cannot find specific info on it's side cut and radius..  best i can tell they are 2004/2005 vintage.  Searching the net, found conflicinting specs on this ski....  some sites report it has a 108/64/94 side cut... which would give it a 16/17m radius The ski's themselves have a > 21 marked on them. Is the >21 radius on the ski for the 175's or for the 185's or 195's??  cause if they all have the same side cuts, how can different lenth skis have the same radius??

So assuming these are the 175 Volkl P60 GS racing ski, what sidecut and what radius DO I HAVE??

Thanks all......

Ken
post #2 of 20
Post a pic. Someone will be able to tell you for sure. It sounds like the girl's ski though.
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
I doubt it....  but good idea about the pics, will post some tomorrow.

Ken
post #4 of 20
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Originally Posted by EastCoastVolkl View Post

Maybe you guy/gals can figure this out.

Just bought a set of 175 Volkl P60 GS Racing ski's Marker 41 bindings with piston plate. Definitely a racing ski. I do NOT think this is the "Racing Stock" version but I'm not sure now... how does one tell the GS racing stock from the GS racing? 

I also cannot find specific info on it's side cut and radius..  best i can tell they are 2004/2005 vintage.  Searching the net, found conflicinting specs on this ski....  some sites report it has a 108/64/94 side cut... which would give it a 16/17m radius The ski's themselves have a > 21 marked on them. Is the >21 radius on the ski for the 175's or for the 185's or 195's??  cause if they all have the same side cuts,

how can different length skis have the same radius??


So assuming these are the 175 Volkl P60 GS racing ski, what sidecut and what radius DO I HAVE??

Thanks all......

Ken
They get same radius with different lengths by changing the dimensions.
I'd say the radius is greater than 21m. That's why they're gs skis.

Is it a vertical sidewall or a cap like construction? Race stock will be vertical sidewall laminate ski. Then there's different types of race stock, but let's leave it there because that's an endless argument.
Bottom line is you got some skis with roughly a 21m radius. Does it really matter what the exact radius is? Knowing it will make no difference in how they ski.
post #5 of 20
 >21 sounds like a women's FIS ski.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 


Here are some pics....  can upload a full lenth pic if that would help.
post #7 of 20
Women's FIS race ski. Radius >21 indicates that it meets the FIS minimum radius requirement of 21m (for the year it was made - women's min. radius is now 23m).

Whether the dimensions change with length keeping the same radius, or the radius increases with length keeping the same dimensions is kind of irrelevant - the requirement was r > 21m and that's how the skis are marked.

For example, my '04 Head i.GS is marked r > 23m in big bold letters, but the actual radius is on the ski in smallprint and is 24.2m if I remember correctly. Do I care about the 1.2m disparancy? I do not :)
post #8 of 20
You could use a tape measure and physicsman's sidecut radius spreadsheet to calculate the radius, if you really want to know.  However. I think the rules state the sidecut radius will have to be marked on the ski as passing FIS, so they won't pass FIS.

The radius is >21. 
post #9 of 20
J1-2 girl's ski from a few season's back. It looks like a first generation piston plate with even older bindings. They should still ski well, but if you're a heavy guy you may find them lacking a bit. They are the "stock" skis that were widely available that year though. The radius calculated from the manufacturer's measured points is FIS compliant for that year - at 21m.
post #10 of 20
*is thinking he can prolly do far better on the bindings*
post #11 of 20
Does the ski say 175cm on it?
The P60 laminate "racing stock" skis came in a 178 and 173. I had a pair of the 178s. They belonged to a girl that raced High Level FIS and now races for U of Utah. The were fun to free ski on but I could overpower them on a race course. 

Also MEASURE THE SKI IF YOU WANT SIDECUT DIMENSIONS!!

The Retail (Cap construction) version of that ski had different dimensions and an 18-19 meter radius.  
post #12 of 20
I have the same ski in a 185.  I sometimes see P60s with different top sheets.  For what it is worth, I purchased mine in Canada.  It is hard to beat a 185 GS ski with a 21m radius.  That's why they are still my every day ski.  I'll keep tuning them until they fall apart. 

post #13 of 20
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 It is hard to beat a 185 GS ski with a 21m radius.  That's why they are still my every day ski.  I'll keep tuning them until they fall apart. 

Can I steal this for a sig line? 
post #14 of 20
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Originally Posted by NordtheBarbarian View Post

Does the ski say 175cm on it?
The P60 laminate "racing stock" skis came in a 178 and 173. I had a pair of the 178s. They belonged to a girl that raced High Level FIS and now races for U of Utah. The were fun to free ski on but I could overpower them on a race course. 

Also MEASURE THE SKI IF YOU WANT SIDECUT DIMENSIONS!!

The Retail (Cap construction) version of that ski had different dimensions and an 18-19 meter radius.  

I'm not saying you are wrong, but I know the retail, cap P60's came in 173, 178 and 183.  I'm 99% sure that the race stock versions were 175, 180, 185.  I had a pair of the 185's.

The P 50's race stock were 178 and 183 though.....
post #15 of 20
Thread Starter 
Finally got a chance to try out the ski's today, at Killington. Weather has been quite warm lately, was concerned it might be soupy up there, but it was hard pack with a half inch or so of granular on top.

First, these ski's are FAST.

One part of the slope it was somewhat washboard, but there was no chatter at all with the ski's. I would assume that is the "piston plate" at work, so if that's correct they are functioning well. Turns were easy and they tracked well. Cut through the "piles" with ease.

So far, very pleased.

thanks to all who replied,

The ski's are marked 175 so I would assume that is what they are. Still don't know if they are "race stock" or not.

Ken
post #16 of 20
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Still don't know if they are "race stock" or not.



 

They are definitely race stock.
post #17 of 20
Hey UP
I actually found the Volkl ski Brochure from 2003/2004 which has these ski in it. So you (UP Racer) are correct. The P60 "Race stock" skis listed in the retail brochure are  175, 180, 185 190. The P60 GC Racing (Cap) skis with the aluminum motion rails are listed in lengths 168,173, 178,183,188. However, the skis I had were a little shorter than 180cm (about 2cm shorter than my 180 cm HEAD GS skis) and didn't have any length marking on them.
Anyways
ECV has a nice pair of skis. Probably Retail Racestock, but the important thing is they seem to work for him. Some racestock skis are too stiff or just don't work well that's often why the original owners get rid of them.

PS: Dimensions in the brochure for these skis are:106-67.5-92
The longer skis 180,185 and 190 were 104-65-88

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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post




I'm not saying you are wrong, but I know the retail, cap P60's came in 173, 178 and 183.  I'm 99% sure that the race stock versions were 175, 180, 185.  I had a pair of the 185's.

The P 50's race stock were 178 and 183 though.....

 
post #18 of 20
Thread Starter 
"Nord",

Thanks for the actual info...  good to know what I"ve got......  any idea what "Dimension 3 Sidecut" is? Could be just marketing junk?

jesum, we need some natural snow here.....

Ken
Edited by EastCoastVolkl - 11/15/09 at 6:52pm
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by EastCoastVolkl View Post

  any idea what "Dimension 3 Sidecut" is? Could be just marketing junk?

 

Yep.  Marketing junk.  It was stamped on nearly every Volkl of that vintage. 

The idea was that the sidecut was engineered by modeling how the ski flexed and calculating the radius while the ski was in reverse-camber, rather than just calculating the nominal radius with the ski flat.  Or something like that.  The verbiage doesn't hurt.  I'd ignore it.
post #20 of 20
Thread Starter 
Have been skiing on these puppies for two months now, and enjoy them.  Deffinitely a skinny ski for groomers, but that is mostly what I do. Great for carving,

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