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Two Ski Travel Quiver for CO and Utah trips... Gotamas and Apache Recons?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 

I have a pair of 08/09 AC30's for skiing local east coast/mid-atlantic ski resorts, but decided I want to put together a two ski quiver for western trips. Right now I am thinking about picking up 2010 Gotamas and a pair of 2008 K2 Apache Recons to fill my ski bag when flying out to better snow and real mountains.  Warren Miller is not exactly banging down my door to star in his next film, but I am a competent skier with about15 years of experience. I have tossed around the idea of the Katanas instead of the Goats, but not sure.

I will be almost exclusively be doing resort skiing at Snowbird/Alta/Powder Mtn/Vail/BC... no plans for any heli or back country trips.
 
Thoughts on the choice of this combination? 

post #2 of 23
That would make a good pair with the Recon for no snow days up to maybe 4"-6" of new. Then either of the two others for when it is deeper. The Recon and AC 30 serve the same purpose so the Recon might be an unnecessary purchase although they are certainly very different skis.

Personally, I'd choose a little wider (~~85-90mm) mid fat than the Recon and then an even wider powder specific ski but your plan could be just fine too.

SJ
post #3 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The Recon and AC 30 serve the same purpose so the Recon might be an unnecessary purchase although they are certainly very different skis.

 

I totally agree and that is somewhat of a pain in the wallet. I got the AC30's primarily due to snow conditions around here which basically translates to average manmade snow and ice:) I ski bumps quite a bit more when out west and that is why I started down the Apache Recon path. My AC30's are a little stiffer than my knees prefer for bumps. Not sure if it is considered sacrilege on EpicSki due to the demo bindings, but I may get a used demo skis for the Recons to keep the cost down. Ebay has a ton out there between $250-$350.

I will go new for the Goats or Katanas though. My binding choice is holding me up on these.  Still sifting through the threads already out there on that topic.
post #4 of 23
i spent 30 days in utah a while back with only my goats and never felt like i was missing anything.
post #5 of 23
I think the recon would be redundant in your quiver given the AC30 you already have. Gotmas are a ski that people ride every day in UT.

Just, MHO... but skis like a recon or AC30 are specialized tools in UT. They are for high pressure times where it hasn't snowed in a week or more. You would get more use out of a dedicated funshape pow ski than an AC30. I certainly do.
 
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by jbprof View Post

I will go new for the Goats or Katanas though. My binding choice is holding me up on these.  Still sifting through the threads already out there on that topic.

Getting the recon to ease your knees in bumps is a good call and a reason to do it and also, among narrower skis, the Recon is among the best in soft snow.

Something to think about regarding the new Gotama. It has a subtle tip to tail rocker and while this adds to the utility in deeper snow, it detracts somewhat from the versatility as an all around tool. I'm a big fan of the old one (just sold my last pair yesterday) but not so much so for the new one IF you are thinking of it as something close to an everyday choice. I would have happily taken my old Gotamas as my only ski for a week long ski trip anywhere in the west. I would not choose the new one to fit that bill.

OTH.......Now, if what you want is a narrow powder ski....that's a good way to go as it excells at that.

As far as bindings go....don't agonize over that, just buy one that mounts on the top side of the ski, and you'll be fine. All this "what binding.......?" stuff is absurd.

SJ
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
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As far as bindings go....don't agonize over that, just buy one that mounts on the top side of the ski, and you'll be fine. All this "what binding.......?" stuff is absurd.

SJ

 

Lol. So true. What I am struggling with is the fact that there are some good deals on bindings I wouldn't normally choose. For example, there are some Marker Griffon Din4-12 (with wide brake) available for $180. I am 6'0 and 185-190, so that should be fine in theory.
post #8 of 23
A good deal on the wrong thing is a bad deal. Personally, I'd never put a Griffon/Jester on a wider ski but that's just me. If you think that's what you want, go fer it. If you don't, fine. Ignore the $$$ and get the right thing.

SJ
post #9 of 23
SJ, I'm a little confused here: first you said don't agonize over bindings, now you say never put a griffon/jester on wide skis (in the market for some bindings for wide skis, thus threat hijack)
post #10 of 23
I think he just means that for the same money or close to it, you can get barons or dukes and then you have the option of going uphill as well.  Even if you don't the increased height of the binding gives you a bit more leverage in turning fat skis.  The jesters are nice, but they don't serve dual purpose and you can get more binding for around the same money in a baron or duke IMHO.  Especially with a ski like a goat. 
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by jimintokyo View Post

SJ, I'm a little confused here: first you said don't agonize over bindings, now you say never put a griffon/jester on wide skis (in the market for some bindings for wide skis, thus threat hijack)
 

Let not your heart be troubled.

I am perfectly happy with a Sollie STH 16, Look PX 12,14,16, Tyrolia 15-17. I wouldn't care at all about which one I used. I said I would not use a tall binding like a J/G b/c I see zero value in lifted bindings on wide skis. I don't agonize about that opinion at all. Hence my opinion that all the dithering about bindings is a waste of time. There's enough dithering about other stuff to keep folks awake at night.

Get the ones that go on top of the skis or.................just get the red ones.

SJ
post #12 of 23
With the baggage fee's imposed by most airlines today, you may want to consider just a single travel pair. It's fairly hard to fit two pair and any extra gear into a bag and keep it under 50lbs.    I take a lot of short trips and usually just take my XXL's.
post #13 of 23
.....just get the red ones.

But....my new skis are blue!

SJ, thanks for the clarification; that makes perfect sense. 
post #14 of 23
Pfft don't listen to SJ. I bought the white Griffons to match my white top sheets.
But to your question. If you have AC30s, I like the Gotama choice and maybe some fat pow skis for the big dumps. My Praxis Powders and Praxis Back Countrys fit in my Dakine bag at less the 50lbs with gear in the bag.
post #15 of 23
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Originally Posted by liv2 ski View Post

Pfft don't listen to SJ. I bought the white Griffons to match my white top sheets.

 
Ooooooh....oooooh to match yer white boots an pantz?

I'm in with the in crowd.....
I go where the in in crowd goes.....
I'm in with the in crowd.......
I know what the in crowd knows.....


So fyne...............

SJ
post #16 of 23

Wow, the guy only wanted advise on skis and this has turned into a question of fashion.  Well if you all don't mind, I'll add my 2 cents.  First, the one statement that made sense is that baggage fees "may" make a 2 ski bag expensive to travel with so the one ski quiver makes some sense from that standpoint.  Now I've skied the old Goats but not the new ones so I'll take the advice I've read above.  I also believe that the Recon is a bit repetitive if you already have the AC30.  After all the bumps are usually a little softer out west.  Now my recommendation based on the one ski quiver is the Volkl Mantra, last years Goat, the Line 90 or 100 or one of the new K2 side-country skis (haven't skied them but the reviews looked good). 

post #17 of 23
 I ski Colo, Utah, and Tahoe with regularity.

My 2-ski set-uP?

1. Lib Tech NAS Freeride (93/99mm alternating waist due to "Magnetraction") - don't be fooled by the big tip shovel and 99mm waist, these skis hold an edge as well as anything narrower. They have a lot of camber to satisfy the type folks who like to carve, plus they have a 19m turning radius, so they can turn pretty nicely when needed.

2. Volant Spatula (125mm reverse camber). 

Honestly in the past 3 seasons I haven't really needed anything else. I may want other skis, but I don't need anything other than those 2 (and I do have other skis, but I found that over the course of 79 days I kept going back to those 2, so there was no need to travel with anything more).
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

I said I would not use a tall binding like a J/G b/c I see zero value in lifted bindings on wide skis.

For some reason, I thought the Griffon and Jester were fairly flat.
post #19 of 23
Dad, if I'm correct, (and I might not be) the Jester/Griffons have a litlle lift, around 17mm comes to mind and the Dukes/Barrons have more in the 20 something I beleive..  The one thing about all of them is their flat ramp angle, I have Dukes mounted to 08 Goats and did have Jester monted to Watea 94's, definte difference in height, at least I noticed it and I noticed the flat ramp angle as well..  I didn't really care for the jesters, love the Dukes on my Goats however, awsome set-up....
post #20 of 23
Stand heights:

Jester:  23mm
STH 16: 17.5mm
PX12: 20mm
PX12 Jib: 23mm
Tyrolia FF Pro 15: 14mm toe, 19mm heel
Tyrolia Peak 15/18:  14mm toe, 17mm heel

I "stand" corrected.

That said, I don't think that there's any real disadvantage to an extra few mm of stand height, even if there's no advantage either.
post #21 of 23
 I believe the Jester/Griffon were lowered a bit this year. Something like 19 heel & 17 toe...
post #22 of 23
I actually like the "extra" if you will height on the Dukes that are clamped to my Goats..  In steeps, I find I can get a little extra edge angle that make them feel slithery if you will...  I Really like this set-up Alot...  I think the Dukes are around 32-34mm if jesters are 23..
post #23 of 23
Thread Starter 
You are correct. While I don't know the exact measurements, the Griffon's are certainly shorter this year. I was in my local shop last night and just happened to compare this year's Griffon vs. last year's and there was clearly a height difference on this year's.

Btw, thank you everyone for your feedback. I decided to hold off on the Apache Recon's for now to see how I feel about my AC30's after taking them out west at least once. If they aggravate my cranky knees too much after getting into some bumps, I will reconsider a softer ski. They will remain my obvious choice for an everyday ski around here though. 

I did go ahead with the Gotamas. Picked up a pair of this year's 186's last night. While I would love to say I will get good use out of them locally, it is more likely I won't put them on snow until January when I head west for a trip or two.

Thanks again for the input.
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 I believe the Jester/Griffon were lowered a bit this year. Something like 19 heel & 17 toe...
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