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post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Looking for a turny,powder,chowder only ski"east coast"
They will only come out on powder days and yes east coast has them if you ski every day.
Been skiing on 167 phat luvs but think i really need a beefier/longer ski

Thought i had a pr 188 soft bro's but deal fell thru.
Normal every day skiis are
178 line 80
178 dynastar 8000
post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by skidbump View Post

Looking for a turny,powder,chowder only ski"east coast"
They will only come out on powder days and yes east coast has them if you ski every day.
Been skiing on 167 phat luvs but think i really need a beefier/longer ski

Thought i had a pr 188 soft bro's but deal fell thru.
Normal every day skiis are
178 line 80
178 dynastar 8000

umm height/weight would help and if something only comes out on powder days both the skis you picked are not great powder skis at all....
post #3 of 17


I have a pair of 08 Volkl Gotama's, 183 cm that I ski at Killington on powder days. For reference I am 6' and 227 lbs. They are excellent powder/crud skis but groomers and definately icy slopes should not be the terrain of choice. From reviews on Epic, the 2010 Goats are as good/better on powder/crud and much improved on groomers. The Volkl Mantra is also worth considering. I demoed a pair at Whistler/Blackcomb for a week skiing all conditions including powder and found them to be an excellent ski. The Goats work better in powder but the Mantras work better on firmer snow.

 

My 2.51324257181671 cents - Falcon_O aka Charlie

 

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Originally Posted by skidbump View Post

Looking for a turny,powder,chowder only ski"east coast"
They will only come out on powder days and yes east coast has them if you ski every day.
Been skiing on 167 phat luvs but think i really need a beefier/longer ski

Thought i had a pr 188 soft bro's but deal fell thru.
Normal every day skiis are
178 line 80
178 dynastar 8000
post #4 of 17
Prophet 100 - works everywhere but boilerplate - check the reviews here and/or on TGR
post #5 of 17
The Rossignol S7 could be a ski that could work for you. It has tip and tail rocker, 115mm waist, and is a fairly turny ski because its a  5 dimensional ski. It also has a little normal camber under foot if you need to go on the groomers. The gotamas would be a good choice too. either the old versions or this years rockered and wider version depending if you want rocker (more powder specific) or not.

good luck!
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Downhillin99 View Post

The Rossignol S7 could be a ski that could work for you. It has tip and tail rocker, 115mm waist, and is a fairly turny ski because its a  5 dimensional ski. It also has a little normal camber under foot if you need to go on the groomers. The gotamas would be a good choice too. either the old versions or this years rockered and wider version depending if you want rocker (more powder specific) or not.

good luck!
 

Hijack.  Sorry.   Downhillin how do you like the S7's.  Thought I might demo them this year.  thinking powder, trees, crap off piste. Never skied on a rocker.  Could you give me so feedback.  Me  195lbs, 5'11, old fart,  ok skier - thanks  Pete
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Hijack.  Sorry.   Downhillin how do you like the S7's.  Thought I might demo them this year.  thinking powder, trees, crap off piste. Never skied on a rocker.  Could you give me so feedback.  Me  195lbs, 5'11, old fart,  ok skier - thanks  Pete
Sorry, I haven't personally skied them. This info. is from what I heard from other skiers. I actually would like to demo them too and I have never skied a rocker either. So... maybe someone will see this and kill two birds with one stone

I looked on your profile and saw you had some goats. Maybe you could PM about what year they are and how you like those skis and what you dont like (PM please so we dont totally hijack this guys thread) thanks
post #8 of 17
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umm height/weight would help and if something only comes out on powder days both the skis you picked are not great powder skis at all....
 

5'8" 230
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
Try and remember i am only really skiing the catskills so i dont need 120 under foot.I was looking for anywhere from 99 to maybe 110 at most
post #10 of 17
Skid:

When you say powder only, you are going to get recommendations for exactly that. That'll usually mean very wide, some form of "rocker" maybe even some degree of reverse sidecut.

Look at this deal as a recipe..........you start with a basic structure like say a Line Prophet 100. This is a wonderfully nimble feeling ski that does a nice job of most conditions much like the dearly departed version of the Gotama and of of course several others. This is not a powder specific ski, it is just a wide general purpose tool. Feels like a "normal" ski.........just big.

So then you start to modify the recipe according to what you want.

(1) Add a little width (Say Blizzard Argos @ 105mm) You'll gain a little lift, lose a little quickness, everything else feels fairly similar.

(2) Add a little (mild) tip rocker (say K2 sidestash @ 108mm) You'll gain more maneuverability, lift and forgiveness in deep stuff, but the front ~~ 20% of the ski starts to feel a little disconnected on firm or rough surfaces. Not too bad, just an odd feel at first.

(3) Add a little mild tail rocker too but keep it flat underfoot. (Say Blizzard Answer @ 110mm). Maneuverability, and forgiveness in the deep gets better yet but now the back 20% feels a little disconnected as well. Again, not too bad but definitely different now.

(4) Now, make the ski a mild continuous rocker tip to tail. (Say 2010 Gotama @ 108mm) Theoretically, this is more maneuverable yet than the previous ski but in this case, I'm not sure that the very mild full rocker adds anything at all in deep snow (over #3). The drawbacks outside of the deeps get more even pronounced in this case. This is the one stop along the road that doesn't make much sense to me.

Now throw in a cup of width........nothing changes much except as noted in (#1)

(5) Now....Increase the amplitude of the rockered portion while keeping the ski flat underfoot and add some early taper to tip and tail. (Rossi S7 @ 115mm) Now you have a full powder specialty ski with dramatically different capabilities in deep snow and again, notable shortcomings in other terrain and conditions.

Of course there is flex to consider and I've really just mentioned skis in the "medium" flex range. And of course you can add ever more and more width (as much as you want really). All these factors are part of it and none are a free lunch as all have positive and negative effects. How you want the cookie to turn out depends upon your tastes and choices of ingredients.

Like chocolate chips vs. raisins........................

SJ

 
post #11 of 17
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Skid:

When you say powder only, you are going to get recommendations for exactly that. That'll usually mean very wide, some form of "rocker" maybe even some degree of reverse sidecut....

 

I think I heard SJ calling my name... 

You want a 195 Kuro or a 195 Praxis Powder Board.

And yes, you can tell the difference between true reverse/reverse & even modest compromises. In some cases, the compromises offer a good return. Others, not so much.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread...
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Let me rephrase
I want a ski that i will really only use on powder days,doesn't have to be a true deep powder board.Just one that will float and when i want to turn it turns
My phat luvs worked ,they float but i realize a women's 167 ski and 240lb man are not a real good match.But as long as the snow was soft the ski worked fine.It worked in spring as in it floated but it would deflect .I could not get an edge on hard pack ..the ski was way to soft and i was way to big for it.
I am not an aggressive skier.I like to meander around and make turns.
When i say powder its going to be anything from 4" to 2'.

also really looking for a used ski..No way in the world i can swing 500 to 900 plus binders.

thanks
Pat
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by skidbump View Post

Let me rephrase
I want a ski that i will really only use on powder days,doesn't have to be a true deep powder board.Just one that will float and when i want to turn it turns
My phat luvs worked ,they float but i realize a women's 167 ski and 240lb man are not a real good match.But as long as the snow was soft the ski worked fine.It worked in spring as in it floated but it would deflect .I could not get an edge on hard pack ..the ski was way to soft and i was way to big for it.
I am not an aggressive skier.I like to meander around and make turns.
When i say powder its going to be anything from 4" to 2'.

also really looking for a used ski..No way in the world i can swing 500 to 900 plus binders.

thanks
Pat

look 180ish and about 100 underfoot IMO ski doesnt matter all that much but the old gotamas were IMO the best normal shape and camber skis that were roughly 100 underfoot ever made for powder. Very balance and never work in any snow condition.  There are skis out there that do certains things better but few were as smooth and easy to ski on as the old Goats.
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
what yr goats???
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by skidbump View Post

what yr goats???

For me, the '07-'09. I think BW refers to the older ('05?) version.

SJ
post #16 of 17
I've heard that Bluehouse Districts are kinda like cheaper goats.  Wide, soft.  Saw some on ebay a while ago for $200.  Might want to keep your eyes open for these. 
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by evonitzer View Post

I've heard that Bluehouse Districts are kinda like cheaper goats.  Wide, soft.  Saw some on ebay a while ago for $200.  Might want to keep your eyes open for these. 

I didn't like my 187 Districts as they dived for the bottom and I am about 185lbs. That said, the Gotama for this season sounds good to me, but spendy. I scored some Praxis BC for $399 at http://praxisskis.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=70&vmcchk=1&Itemid=29 in the "Kickass Deals" section. Right now there are some Protests in there that would rock your pow world. Check em out.
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