Originally Posted by therusty
I'm basing my comments on years of schlepping cat tracks and flats at over 100 resorts. What would it take? A 20 minute hike, maybe a mile? On one trip to Wolf Creek I alternated days skiing and riding the same terrain. I got stuck bad in deep snow on the flats twice while riding my board. Both times I would have gladly spent 20 minutes to change the board to skis and back just to save the effort I spent trying to get out. On skis I was able to get out of the same places without swearing or breaking a sweat.
You are right. Because I've never used a splitter, I don't know whether a split board would actually have been practical in those situations. So help me out here. How long does it take to split a board/put it back together? Can a split board navigate the flats without skins? How much more time does it take to put skins on? How much faster is it to slide on a split split board than walking? I thought I knew the answers, but it's only a theory. So help me out here.
You are right. The reality is that no one in their right mind would get and use a splitter for riding at resorts. But how many people riding at resorts are not in their right mind (and having a good time)?
I've limited resort experience compared to you. I'm really familiar with the Sierra resorts, Jackson Hole, Grand Targhee, Solitude, Snowbird, and Crested Butte.
I've yet to find a place with a mile long flat. Or perhaps I mis-read you. Are you saying you've been on mile long cat tracks? Or what would it take to justify a split, a mile-long track?
In my comparatively limited experience I've never encountered a cat track with deep snow to schlep through. It seems that would be the opposite of a cat track or traverse.
It doesn't take very long to flip the board. Killclimbz says 5 minutes, I'd say that's a very average, sometimes generous estimate if you got your flip dialed. You can skate flats fairly well without skins if you are experienced with your split. Soft boots and a cotter pin bracket interface just doesn't transfer the energy as well as plastic boots and ski bindings. Also, your heel is free which could be compared with skate skis. But splitties are much fatter, heavier, and all around clunkier then skates so skating isn't awesome on them.
Some of the longer flats I've been on are at Heavenly. And not once has the thought crossed my mind that I should have my split. The weight hanging off your foot on the lift ride is more energy then jumping off and walking a couple times a day.
I'm not trying to be obstinate. I just don't think recommending a splitboard for cat tracks is reasonable.
I know you have a lot of diverse experience. You also have a reputation for being a good instructor. You certainly know what you are talking about on this site. For all I knew, you had lots of experience using a split for the very thing you recommend. But, it didn't jive with my experience. Which is pretty much splitting exclusively.
It probably didn't help that I had worked 9 days in a row to go to a wedding in Gooding, ID with my sick parents and wife who reminded me often that my parents were going to make her sick before she went to a conference this week. I was also the wedding photog and rather than my aunt and uncle being gracious whatsoever, I worked my ass off, shot 900 photos, was bossed around constantly, and not only wasn't paid, but wasn't thanked. I didn't eat dinner because I was constantly being told to go take pictures of whatever random, unnecessary pictures they wanted taken. Not to mention showing up at 8 in the morning to set up the wedding for them. Which was a pretty crappy wedding anyway. So, instead, when we got back to our hotel room in Twin Falls, I went to the restaurant across the street and drank my dinner. Then posted my reply to this thread.
So, I apologize if I was disrespectful.