[quote]Originally posted by Rusty Guy:
|You complain about complications and then toss in terminology that I have never heard in all the years I have been skiing, or the four years I have been teaching.
What the heck is pressure pivoting?
Again, when a ski is turned the tail CAN be moved out and the tip CAN be moved in. Displacement of the outside tail "out" has been described by modern technicians as a defensive movement. It is the hallmark of the "heel pusher" or "sperm turner".
Well OK Rusty, that's more like it. No personal references and jabs, you kept it geared strictly to the topic. A bit testy, but much better.
Your right, pressured pivot is a new term to you, but I defined it right in the sentence I used it in as a steered turn. Please read again:
"When a turn is steered the ski is pressure pivoted (twisted), the tail moves out and the tip moves in."
I purposely used the term to get across the idea that a steered turn involves twisting from a pivot point, but I had to add the word "pressured" because the term "pivoting" already has an accepted by most usage in skiing terminology.
Both pivoting and steering involve changing direction by physically twisting (pivoting) the ski in the new direction. The difference is that the movement referred to in skiing circles as "pivoting" is a twisting of the ski while it has little or no pressure applied to it, usually during the turn transition. The skis are redirected, but an actual change of direction the skier is moving in does not begin to occur until pressure is applied to the redirected ski.
Steering is twisting (pivoting) the ski while it's pressured and results in immediate change of direction moving for the skier.
I used the term "pressured pivot" to highlight the fact there is pivoting going on in a steered turn so I could point out how tip and tail displacement is affected by fore/aft pivot point movement.
The heel pusher you refer to is not steering, he is using a different form of rotary to turn his skis. It is usually performed by making an aggressive counter rotation move in the upper body combined with a tail toss. The two moves balance each other. It can also be done with an aggressive rotation of the upper body which pulls the tails into an abrupt outward toss. These moves are NOT steering. Steering is a more refined and controlled twisting of the feet and skis, a more advanced form of rotary. All these forms of rotary are well defined in a post Bob Barnes made here a couple months back, one that was re-posted just recently.
It is hard to be crystal clear in a strictly written forum such as this, as we witness over and over, so I do make an effort to include detailed descriptions of my concepts and terminology. It's usually in there, as it was in this case.
The offensive skier has the entire ski moving in the direction desired. It can be done, does not involve any pivot
Yes, and it's called carving. Anything less involves some steering or other rotary and requires some degree of twisting (pivoting) of the ski. This is true no matter how refined you think your steering is, it's got to be in there in some amount or your not steering. There is no new magic way to turn a ski.[ July 19, 2003, 05:28 AM: Message edited by: FastMan ]