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post #31 of 49
Todd's correct. The point is commitment. I heard it from Martina Navratilova in a tv interview. You have to play with commitment: It's like ham and eggs. The chicken is only involved. The pig is committed.

I'm sorry Utah, you can't afford such a lesson. These are the secret rituals of the inner sanctum, and surely you realize that if I told them to you, I'd have to kill you.

I used to do a trick fall I learned from a friend (Rags O'Regan) in Sugarloaf. He taught me to go really fast and then dip onto both inside edges. The skis would then rocket out in opposite directions. Now just before they separate enough to rip your legs off, you dive forward, parallel to the slope on your chest. This releases the edges and since you're going along the slope, it doesn't hurt. But it looks like a huge disaster. My friend Scooter Lacouter dubbed it the "double aztec ripple". (Don't try this at home, kids. We're professionals!)

I had another pal from Maine (Steve Linscott) who used to straddle the post at the end of a lift line at full speed, and then just shoulder roll out of it--pulling his inside ski, back and out of the straddle. It was horrifying, yet elegant. This I never tried--which is maybe why I'm alive today.

By the way, all great falls are towards the downhill side. Falls to the inside result in a DQ.

Do you want to hear about my worstest fall in 15 years that I took this season?
post #32 of 49
Thread Starter 
Cool replies! I'm making the kid sister read all this. But she's such a weirdo that if a trail freaks her out, she starts muttering these weird incantations before she goes down.

Weems, we want to hear about your worstest fall! [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #33 of 49
Okay. Since you insist.

This December I was a clinic leader for a bunch of folks preparing their level 3. We had gone through all the skiing stuff over two days, and we were just going to finish with pivoting/slipping. We did a few on some hard snow, at the top of Little Nell on Aspen Mountain, and I decided that they really needed to get a handle on the sideslipping part so they would know where the pivot was taking them. My plan was to do a long sideslip and have them adjust stance, etc. while slipping.

So I said in the most eloquent expression of examiner arrogance: You've got to learn to be at ease with your sideslip, and I'm going to do a long demo--at speed to show you. And I am the ayatollah of sideslipping.

So I took off, threw the skis into a high speed drift, totally relaxed, totally cool, totally elegant and totally stupid as I let my downhill pole stick in the snow when I wasn't paying attention. Of course when the skis hit the pole, I went over downhill like a bungee jumper on crank. WHAM! Landing with my hip on the handle of my pole, lying there groaning, waiting for the endorphins to kick in. I finally got up and took another run to prove I was alive. By morning I had a hematoma from mid thigh to mid waist that looked like a sunset shot on the cover of Arizona Highways. Later the doctor told me that my hip was not broken, but he advised me not to do this again as there was not enough blood left in my actual circulatory system to sustain life if I lost any more.

One of the guys in the clinic evaluation wrote: nice clinic. needs work on pivot/slips.

So was this commitment? Or hubris? Well both, of course!

If the bleeding is internal, is the "no blood, no foul" rule still in effect?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 19, 2002 08:59 PM: Message edited 1 time, by weems ]</font>
post #34 of 49
sat i went skin with my friends who rarely go. upon gettin off the lift with this girl she plants her pole between my skis as we are going down the exit ramp and my right leg hits it; causing me to spin around and almost fall.. i didnt though and skied off the lift exit backwards.. it was funny but i dreaded the thought of a pole plant onto my new skis..

i didnt ride the lift with her the rest of the day... hehe..
post #35 of 49
Speaking of "trick falls" Weems, do you remember Jimmy Hinman from Maine who was a D-team member back in the 70s?

I brought him in to do a one-day workshop with a group of our cert candidates one beautiful spring day. Ski brakes were still new then; most people were still using straps that caused your skis to follow you in a fall.

Jim was rather flamboyant in both his skiing and his dress. That day he was decked out in his trademark white stetson, his famous handlebar mustache, and a bright orange "wet look" one-piece suit. He had conducted much of his morning session on the trail right under the main chairlift where he was getting a lot of attention from the local hot shot college kids.

At lunch time, as we came out the run out toward the last slope before the lodge he reached down and opened the heel pieces of his bindings. Then, in full view of the college aged lunch crowd sitting in the sun on the deck he dove forward off his skis, which stopped short thanks to his brakes, and he slid about forty feet on his slippery suit, right up to the deck. After a full five seconds of stunned silence, the crowd rose as one in a prolonged standing ovation.
post #36 of 49
>>>Very comical at Fernie; I had skied through a really challenging segment of a trail. I get to the easy part....BOOM!!!!

According to Mark, it really looked hilarious. I "allegdly" had a look on my face that was sort of "whaaa, that was sooo hard!' Then..crash! Oh well!<<<

Lisamarie, that happens sooo often to folks (not just skiers). When they get past a difficult situation as you described, or as in passing a truck at high speed on a two lane highway, people are so releaved that they forget that they are still moving at speed and that is when it happens, BOOOM!

You should never stop skiing until you are not moving anymore, forgetting that will greatly enhance the chance of catching an edge at the outrun to the lift.

...Ott
post #37 of 49
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>You should never stop skiing until you are not moving anymore, forgetting that will greatly enhance the chance of catching an edge at the outrun to the lift <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

So true Ott but I would take it one step further. to "not moving anymore and balanced"

Many times when the light is flat, I will pull to a stop and then fall or almost fall because the sudden end of motion and the flat light is playing tricks with your balance.
post #38 of 49
I don't like that skiers think that falling is failure. It's not. Every great skier falls. I see instructors fall. I fall. We all fall.

Rather than thinking of falling as failure, think of it as an opportunity to learn. What did you do wrong?

Then, even more important, learn how to fall correctly.

Peter Keelty has a tag line that's always bugged me - "Have fun, don't fall". I think it's arrogant and I wish he'd change it.

Now don't get me wrong. I get off when I ski for a few days without, "Gettin some on me" as SnoKarver likes to say.

But I'm no longer hung up on not falling. Consequently, I fall less than ever.

Cheers,
post #39 of 49
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yuki:
Son ... "What happened? You OK?"
Me ..... "Nothing happened! I got tired and decided to lay down and rest!"
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

My version:

9 y.o. daughter: "Where were you?"

Me: "There was a big luggage strap laying in the snow. I ran over it with one ski, it instantly spun me around at about 25 mph, my tails dug in, and I did a backwards endo & nearly broke my neck when I landed. Sorry, but it took me a second to get going again."

9 y.o. daughter: "Gee, Dad, you *never* fall. I would have liked to have seen it ... Lets go."

Tom / PM

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 20, 2002 12:25 AM: Message edited 1 time, by PhysicsMan ]</font>
post #40 of 49
SCSA, I would qualify that with "falling needlessly". It is usually lack of attention that gets skiers into situations where they must fall. Also many skiers give up too soon.

But it is better to fall than to try to yank oneself up when almost down and tear an ACL.

Also, for us ancient ones it is a real struggle to get back up.

David, flat light above the tree line is a bitch, no ups, no downs, I just plant both poles on either side if I must come to a stop but mostly I try to keep moving, that's easier.

...Ott
post #41 of 49
"I don't like that skiers think that falling is failure". Remember that first night that we met up at Fernie? I was telling people, "you're not going to believe what hapenned to me at Sunshine!!"

{People look at me as if they are going to hear a disaster story.}

"I WIPED OUT!!!"

"Yeah, so, did you get hurt?"

"UH huh! Bruised my ego wicked bad! I never wipe out!"

{Curious stares from the bears}
post #42 of 49
David 7

That was it! The double aztec ripple. Only this variation was special because you could open those old Salomon 505's and totally eject from the ski. It's a beautiful thing.

Hinman and I were on the demo team together back then. I think he'll also credit Rags with the invention of it, as Rags and he are both old Mainers.
post #43 of 49
Weems,

There was another variation that we would do: While traversing the slope you lift your downhill and bring it around as if you're doing a kick turn. But while the skis are going in oposite directions you tuck and do a forward roll downhill, bringing your skis parallel while they're in the air and back onto the snow heading in the other direction. Then you casually traverse off the other way. Was usually done on a pair of 180 K2 Bermuda Shorts.

Did that one have a name?
post #44 of 49
David7

I remember that, but never could do it.

I just tried it again in my living room and I'm now lying on the floor, bleeding from the multiple compound fractures, so this may be my last transmission.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 21, 2002 04:59 AM: Message edited 1 time, by weems ]</font>
post #45 of 49
Thread Starter 
you dudes are sick!!! [img]smile.gif[/img] but it sounds like a hoot!
post #46 of 49
GLAD IT WASN'T ME DEPT. !

Two weeks ago we "Mountain Day" .... a big doo-dah with the vendors and barbicue at the base lodge.

As a finale the race kids were doing a synchro ski thing and my son and his partner were the last down. Since it was very icy I was a sweating parent..... all went well and they were great.

Over the loud speaker the coaches were announced and they were going to do the same routine that my son and his partner did. I think the leader must have thrown the following coach off because on the first turn he went off into the trees. About four turns into the routine the leader must have realized she was now a "solo" and tried to sneak a peek to check on her partner because she caught an edge bad and had a major yard sale.

The silence was horrible. Bad enough to buy the farm under the lift where you are relatively anon..... but to be announced in front of a few hunderd people.
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post #47 of 49
Now I remember the name!!! It was the "Multiple Compound Fracture"!

Thanks, Weems.
post #48 of 49
Weems & David7

Another variation of the tip spread forward rollover is to do it off a cornice. Pick a cornice under a nice busy chair (say Ghegis Khan at Vail) ski up to the edge slowly, do some loud arm waving and yelling and forward roll onto the cornice edge bringing the skis over the top and so over the cornice. If ya do it right you end up upright with skis back together and land the cornice and ski off. It is actually pretty easy to do but takes a little commitment.

I call it the "Pierre" as this crazy french guy called .... Pierre demonstrated it one day of a cornice above the OZ freestyle championships back in the mid 80s. He got 10s from the judging booth. It was his little protest that the "ballet" comp took up so much room in the beginners area.

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #49 of 49
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Another good fun drill is if you have Raichle Flexon comp boots just open all the buckles leaving the power strap done up on the boot inner and you can do what looks like very nice tele turns down the hill.

Confuses the hell out of examiners and clinicians ... he he he!!

Oz [img]smile.gif[/img]

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ March 21, 2002 12:29 PM: Message edited 1 time, by man from oz ]</font>
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