But you did achieve oneness, Ydnar! The all powerful OM was the correct response and took over the moment of the thread. It was inescapable and caused everyone to pay attention to it that might have missed it in frivolous humor.
As far as you being a butcher, I don't know, that's really not very Buddhist or holy cow respecting.
The most intense and deepest penetrating experiances I've had in my life, almost without exception, have been the variety that you speak of, Nolo. I don't see there being this fight between types of perception that many others seem to. I think I "learn" the best, "perceive" the best, by being as much in the moment during the experiance as I am able to be. I simply see/notice/sponge-up more with the fewer distractions that you find when you get close to this state. This involves me quieting my verbal self and letting my senses perk up and reach outward. For me, this is the state that I am able to "grok", if you will, the best in. After experiancing whatever situation I'm involved in I haul out the tools of rational discourse and logic and attempt to put an intellectual understanding and verbalization on all that my senses have gathered for me. I fail at this all the time, but, when it works for me I assimilate things very well. When I ski, I try to go quiet inside and FEEL everything. I may not be El Superbo all the time but I love this experiance and I can honestly say I live for it. The less between me and the wind and the snow and my breath, the more intoxicating. As far as whether you're in the moment if you know you're in the moment, like anything else, lovemaking perhaps, there are degrees of immersion. We are talking about one of the lesser degrees of nirvana here as opposed to TOTAL loss of self attributed to the egoless states reported in Satori or Samadhi/ Nirvana, "I" wouldn't know.
Bob, great post, for me it works better if the evaluation follows the experiance rather than accompanying it, they do seem to intertwine often tho'. And I totally agree that best examples of this occur during moments of crisis or survival.
Nolo, I think intent ranks right up there with awareness, in my mind the two go hand in hand. You define the intent, feel the intent and then let all your awareness awaken as you stay out of your own way while attempting the task at hand. As far as teaching that, it takes a special student in my experiance(M.Arts) to "get" this and apply it. Worth it tho'.
Bonni, if Rusty started thinking about what he was doing and telling himself about it I bet he'd have a slew of problems too. No time for verbiage or being "aware" of that.
For those who never read "Stranger in a Strange Land" by Robert Heinlein, you probably didn't grok my reference to "grok". It was simply a word implying a deep, wide, all encompassing understanding and appreciation of something, arrived at by using all of a persons perceptions and awareness with little or no shadings of extraneous emotions or bias in the way of seeing what was there. As far as Heinlein, well, he had some "issues". Many provocative ideas for the time frame though.[ June 23, 2002, 12:49 AM: Message edited by: joel ]