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plates vs all in one?

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Thread Starter 
I just bought 183 volkl race tiger gs skis and need bindings, the marker comp 16 binding (http://markerusa.com/comp16eps.php) was recommended along with the riser plate interface (http://markerusa.com/shop.php)

... i was wondering if you would like to give your opinion about the usefulness of that setup vs the all in one piston binding (http://www.rei.com/product/753678?cm_mmc=cse_froogle-_-datafeed-_-product-_-753678&mr:trackingCode=CB834FFE-FB85-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA) which i could get a hold of much easier and cheaper

do you think that there is any real reason that i would need the nice-new $350 bindings w/$200 riser plate or would the all in one $90-$150 version work as well?

a general opinion about the titanium twelves adequacy for a race ski setup on the volkls?

I know these are very specific questions and may be difficult to answer... any input would be appreciated thanks
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I'm followed your other thread, and just saw this one. So, just to get the facts straight, you're the racer, correct? Male, about 155 lbs? Racing in high school races. Are you a USSA member, and racing any USSA races?

I think that Sierra Jim will weigh in on your other thread an may have some ideas. He's a pro.

Sounds like you want to match a Marker set-up to the ski. Because Marker and Volkl are one company {at least in this country}, they're normally set up that way. My hunch is that you'll be fine without the Piston Plate and a bigger spring binding. The Piston Plate has some dampening effect, and it sets you up with the maximum stand height as dictated by FIS. If your skiing was at a level where you were creating a lot of edge angle, and risking booting out on a consistent basis, I'd encourage the Piston Plate. I don't think you need it, though some lift is good.

Most Marker bindings {forgetting Dukes, etc.} are of the basic same design, or real close. The quality of the materials, and the size of the springs tend to be what drives up the price. The all metal 2000 is a lot different bindin than a 16.0, but you do not need or want a binding with a minimum DIN of 11-12. Some people feel that the non metal bindings have pre-release issues. Others have skied them hard, and raced on them with zero problems.

The binding that you're looking at will give you a bit of lift off the ski, which is a plus. The downside, as I see it is that the binding has a floating toe, which moves fore and aft as you flex the ski, and IMO you absolutely do not want that on a race ski. That would rule it out for me.

Seems like a lot of binding for the buck, IMO. Heck of a price. There are a lot around on similar sale prices, as I suspect that they didn't sell well. I don't think you need a full on Piston Plate and much bigger race binding. I think the Marker 16.0 would be an ideal binding. I'm not familar with other current day plate options with Marker. I wonder if the plate that comes on the "retail" race ski van be purchased?

Despite the great price, I might pass on these.

post #3 of 5
Thread Starter 
thank you for this in depth response it really is a big help... yes i am the male racer. at this point i do not compete within the USSA program. I am however looking into d3 college skiing so I'll have to see where that takes me after graduation this year
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 I have a set of the Marker WC Piston plates that you will need. Let me know if you are interested. 95.00 shipped. 
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D3 college racing conforms to USSA regulations. In most cases the all in one interface will be over the stack height regulation of 50mm. In most cases, people have Marker Piston plates with a Comp 14/16/18/20/30 binding... all of them have the same stack height, and when used with the Piston plates measure up to 50mm on the dot. The older Piston plates work, but only with the thinner non-WC stock Volkl GS skis and the SL skis. With other brands, you can use the older plate on pretty much anything and have a perfect 50mm stack.

The 183s you have are the "WC" stock version of the ski, so if you do mount Piston plates on them, you are going to need the newer 9mm plates, not the older 14mm plates.

For Markers you generally want to steer away from the consumer line of bindings (non-comp line), as they have alot more release issues than the Comp line does. Also, those 12s you have may not hold you in all the way. A few years ago when I started racing, I was having release issues at DIN 10 and 11 on similar bindings, and I was about the same size as you with a 305 BSL. I switched over to Comp 14s and 20s for the next year, and DIN 11 worked fine for GS (I eventually moved up the scale as I got more aggressive). I now ski on a 13 for GS, and higher for DH and SG.
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