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post #31 of 38
I’m posting back to this thread to apologize for being so harsh. McExtreme is right. If I’m going to spit nails, then constructive criticism not only for the MA that we are doing, but for some that are giving the advice.

So that said I’ll throw in my two cents on what I see. Funky Bob, I see someone who has been at this for quit some time. You are, I believe, comfortable at how you make turns and may not be aware that there are some stance issues that you could work on.

The stance is the first place to start. If you are not in a good stance, then it makes it very difficult to MOVE correctly. Why change the way you stand on your skis from the way you stand on them when you are not moving? Stand tall and then just relax. Try to distribute your weight over the entire foot bed of the boot. Try to focus on staying centered in the boot. It is very hard to do MA on stills as Mc Extreme mentioned, and I’m giving advice for what I see. It could be that the photographer just caught you at a bad time. But three times? From what I see, it looks like while skiing, there is pressure on the back of the leg, calves, most of the time while moving. In the back seat as most have noticed. Focus the middle of the feet into the middle of the boots, and try to stay there until you feel a change in your stance and the way the skis react to input. Feel your shins RESTING on the tongue of the boots, not pushing on them, which would overload the front of the skis. Moving forward and aft some over the bed of the boots will come later while skiing, but for now, just stay centered in the boot. We’re trying to make a change to something that you’ve been doing for a long time, and you’re good at it! Do this until you can stay centered over the instep of your boot all day.

Now let’s work on the distance between the skis. Again, what does it look like when you are standing around on the snow, chewing the fat with friends? What does your stance look like when you’re standing in the office, at home etc? Just standing there. I ask you, does it look the same as when you are skiing, probably not. When you find the center of the boots, then get in more of an athletic stance. Lower yourself a bit and distribute your body over an imaginary line that runs from the top of your head and down through the body and exits through the center of the feet. Open the stance so the width between your knees and boots are hip width apart. Get use to this . It’s taken me two seasons to get use to this, and after skiing for forty years, it’s not an easy thing. This stance would look like it would if you were just standing there. One of the hard things to do is to get both legs doing the same thing simultaneously. Getting the feet and ankles to work simultaneously, getting the inside leg involved and active. With modern shaped skis, we don’t have to do much other than tip them over to get where we want to go. We may have to add a rotary move and flatten the skis some to shorten the radius of the turn if needed, (bumps). But the ride on truly carving skis is a great feeling!

Try this exercise. When you feel like you’re centered over the boot beds and your stance is centered while skiing, try while making your turn to keep you inside foot weighted more than you ever have before. Tip the ankles over and really push on the inside ski, outside edge. This was very hard for me. Very hard for someone who has been a very dominate outside ski pressure type skier. I’m not saying to try and have more weight on the inside ski than the outside ski, because just the nature of gravity pulling you down the hill will cause you to have more weight on the outside ski. What I’m suggesting is to try and put more weight on the inside ski than you have in the past. Get the inside ski more involved, more active . The railroad track turn is a great way to observe if you are accomplishing this goal. Are there two tracks in the snow with equal pressure and depth? Or is the inside track brushed? Are both tracks brushed? If both tracks are brushed, then there might be a rotary move going on with the feet while turning, or you re not tipping your ankles over far enough. If it’s just brushed on the inside, (one of my biggest problems) then it’s a dominate weighting issue on the outside ski and a lazy inside ankle and or knee. Get the inside leg involved! Get some weight on it! Try not to have as much tip lead as you do. I like to say to my clinic members, “Push and pull at the same time.” Push the outside foot forward and pull the inside foot back. Try to get them as equal as possible. Soon after doing this for awhile, you won’t have to think about it. Depending on the pitch of the hill, this will have a lot to do with your tip lead. Flat, more even. Steeper, more tip lead. But whatever the case, just push and pull and try not to compromising your centered stance. You will find that you will not really get them totally equal, and it’s not necessary too. Just try to decrease your tip lead some. This also is not an easy thing.

Well I’ve been going on and on here so let just work with this. Funky Bob, let us know how these suggestions are working for you. It will take time to change, and it’s not an easy thing . It may take you many seasons to get this done so don’t give up ! Like I said, it’s taken me two seasons of 50+ hours of training and MA to get where I can say I think I got a handle on it. That’s just training time and not the 160 days a season I’m on the boards. But I’m still working on it. The saying, “you can’t teach an old dog new tricks” isn’t really true. It just takes time.

I think that when I said 80% hogwash in my first post, that might have been a bit over done. There is some really good advice in this thread. But I highly discourage anyone to put bungee cord around their legs while skiing for instance. Also when it come to doing MA, IMHO, I think that the non professionals in this forum would do better by sitting back and listen, or reading, than posting. Not to say that some of the suggestions from the non professional aren’t good info. But on the most part, it’s my opinion that the advice of the non pro lacks in technical understanding. They lack a trained eye for such things. One of our member finishes his posts with, “Go with a Pro” and that’s it in a nut shell, IMHO.

BTW, Mosh, you gotta post your thoughts in here more often. Right on brother! And for the rest of you, who is most all of you who have never seen him make turns, Mosh is the prefect image of what I tried to describe above. This guy can ski! : ------------Wigs

[ November 21, 2003, 08:51 AM: Message edited by: Wigs ]
post #32 of 38
Rusty Guy

It's closer to three decade, but whos counting. : ----Wigs
post #33 of 38
Si and TomB, you have just recieved your official STFU.
post #34 of 38
Originally posted by Rusty Guy:
There is some good advice and unfortuneately a great deal of advice that I find just plain lousy.

Find a level III cert and take a ski lesson!
Rusty Guy
I'm with you, that's what I was lucky enough to have happen to me. I spent two day's with Tom Powers PSIA III a couple of years back. BEST THING I EVER DID FOR MY SKIING. I have gotten to ski with him once, each of the past two years. I still thank him for what he did for me.
post #35 of 38
Originally posted by milesb:
Si and TomB, you have just recieved your official STFU.
Heh, heh, maybe that is good advice!

But if you look closely I did not give any advice. I only disagree with AlexG's advice.

And sorry AlexG, but your last post makes no sense. In particular the statement The reason to load the tail is to complete the turn without skidding, i.e., to finish the carved turn. could not possibly be more wrong. And I dare any pro to tell me otherwise.

OK, now I will STFU.
post #36 of 38
TomB - try skiing with your weight over the tips of your skis all the time. You will be skidding at the end of each turn- unless your skis are soft. Modern skis are designed so that you could reduce this fore-aft motion and stay more in balance over them during most of the turn, but look closely at the pro racers in slowmo, read LeMaster's and Lito's books - and then tell us that a turn on skis can no longer be broken into three phases.
post #37 of 38
AlexG: Modern skis are designed so that you could reduce this fore-aft motion and stay more in balance over them during most of the turn

That was my point! Stay in balance and you don't have to load anything to carve a turn. Of course you will skid if you are on your tips. :

Yes you could load the tails at the end of a turn to accelerate out of a turn, but, as I mentioned before, few have the strength and experience to do this and avoid the back seat.

Don't let anyone tell you that you have to load the tails to avoid a skid at the end of the turn. I hope Lito did not say that. At least not for modern, short, shaped skis that almost carve a turn by themsleves.
post #38 of 38
TomB: At least not for modern, short, shaped skis that almost carve a turn by themsleves.

It really depends on how short and how shaped. If you look hard at the second picture on this thread, you will see what I was talking about to begin with. Bob is too far forward on that picture, and his skis are sliding from under him. Same story, although not as pronounced, with the first photo. And that was what prompted your attack on my advice to move the CM back.
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