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Where can I get Zardoz NotWax in Toronto Canada?

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I have a new pair of skies. Do I really need to wax them?
post #2 of 19
Do not use Zardoz unless you want to use it as the only product, especially your base has a good structure. It works really well but It will clog up your base and it will no longer absorb other waxes. You will find that your base will go dry after 1 to 2 runs.

As for what to do with new skis, it depends on how serious you are as a skier and/or gear head. There are plenty of good threads on this topic in these forums. In a nutshell, if you're a casual skier and don't typically maintain your gear, then no waxing is necessary. Otherwise, a few hot wax cycles with all-purpose hydrocarbon followed by a good brushing will make a good start.
post #3 of 19
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Originally Posted by catalin View Post

I have a new pair of skies. Do I really need to wax them?

There is nothing wrong and everything right with waxing. New skis will be dirty from the manufacturing process and have a layer of factory wax. Sometimes this wax is just a surface coat to protect it in shipping.  This coat will wear off quick and dry out your base.  Protect your several hundred dollar investment with a few dollars of wax.  You will enjoy them more.

Oh, and Chanwmr is exactly right about Zardoz, don't use it.

post #4 of 19
Hello, I am the sales and marketing director for Zardoz and I wanted to jump on this forum so that users can ask me questions and I can make sure everyone understands the best ways to use Zardoz plus some of its limitations.

Basically, Zardoz will last one full day of skiing or boarding. After that, you will need to reapply or your base will return to its natural "fuzzy" untreated appearance. This fuzzy appearance happens because sharp ice crystals scratch your base as you descend the mountain.

Zardoz can be used instead of wax or on top of wax. The truth is that 95% of riders don't do anything to their bases. This is mainly because it's a lot of work or too expensive to have done at the shop on a consistent basis. If you are a beginner and want to go the route of using Zardoz, it will protect your base and give you an excellent glide that in many cases will surpass that of wax. But, it will give you that effect for one day - then you will need to reapply the next day otherwise you will get what "chanwmr" terms a dry base. It only takes 30 seconds to reapply so it's really easy.

As an aside, I would challenge the advice of not waxing your skis/board if you are a beginner. You need the wax to help you make turns. We support many instructors, racers and ski patrolers across the country and they unanimously agree that having a treated base is essential to good control through the turns. If you can't easily make turns, you can't control your speed or your direction.

The more advanced way to use Zardoz is to apply it on top of wax or even to mix it into the hot wax as you are ironing. We have many racers who use this process with great results. One of our snowboard racers, Felix Rabanaal, invented the "Felix Process" which is shown on our website and also referenced by another user on the forum.

As for "clogging" the base, that absolutely does not happen. Zardoz is liquid Teflon and puts only a micro-thin coating on your base. After one day on the slopes, that coating is gone. If you are concered that there is still Zardoz on your base, use our Super Z or any other base-specific base cleaner to scrub all residue from the base.

As far as dealers in Toronto, I have contacted our distributor there and I am trying to get a list that I can post.
post #5 of 19
 I am actually friends with the person who created Zardon at DuPont, let me see if I can get him to chime in. 
post #6 of 19
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As for "clogging" the base, that absolutely does not happen. Zardoz is liquid Teflon and puts only a micro-thin coating on your base. After one day on the slopes, that coating is gone. If you are concered that there is still Zardoz on your base, use our Super Z or any other base-specific base cleaner to scrub all residue from the base.

 

Knowing how not to go dry after 1 to 2 short run (with no exaggeration) will really make my day. I don't use these skis too much due to that reason alone. It's just way too much maintenance.


I have tried hot wax cycles along with other methods but just haven't been able to make the Zardoz to come out and my new wax stay. I probably should try a cleaner next.

post #7 of 19
Got some info on dealers in Toronto from our distributor - here's the deal:

The closest places would be Algonquin Outfitters in Huntsville (www.algonquinoutfitters.com)

Or Horseshow Resort (http://www.horseshoeresort.com/).

 Boardsports (http://www.boardsports.ca/), booked a 36 puck display one year ago. They may have some left

post #8 of 19
The person who invented Zardoz is Paul Ramer and he unfortunately passed away a few years ago due to Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease, the human version of Mad Cow disease. He was the one who got the patent for Zardoz NOTwax. Mostly he was known as "the mad scientist dude." At least that's what the snowboarders called him at the SIA show in Vegas last year!
post #9 of 19
Everything everyone has said is correct, and I will attempt to glue the comments together to hopefully make more sense.

Yes, the ZardozNotWax (ZNW) forms a micro thin coating but if that micro thin coating seeps into the micro pores of the base they clog that pore. That is why you need a chemical solvent to remove it.  The solvent will mix and displace the ZNW to remove it.  Chanwmr's problem is that the wax will not remove the ZNW.  ZNW and wax are not compatible, as in oil and water.  So if you try to add wax to a base with ZNW it is like having a sponge with water in it then trying to get oil to soak into the sponge.  You have to remove the water first and you can't do it with oil, oil won't rinse the water out.
post #10 of 19
Doctor D, I respect that you have probably had this experience, but I happen to know (and support) many racers that swear by putting a layer of Zardoz on their board prior to waxing, then letting it sit overnight in a heated area, then in the morning administering a Zardoz-infused layer of traditional hot wax. They will buy a bulk NOTwax kit (usually 1/2 lb) and mix it with their favorite traditional wax or they will use our High Fluoro wax. They literally pour it into the hot wax as it melts onto the base. One they have fully scraped and prepared the base, they put a final layer of Zardoz on it.

This combination seems to work well for them and everyone has their own little ritual that works for them.

For us mear mortals, I think it's best to use a base cleaner before you wax, for the simple reason that you want to get all the junk off your base before you put on a fresh coat of wax or Zardoz. All kinds of stuff collects on your base especially if you are out on late or early season runs. Also, don't forget that every once in a while, probably every season, you should have your base stone ground to get rid of all that fuzz.
post #11 of 19
I have certainly never gottne Notwax to last all day. My experience is that it is great for one thing - water saturated old or corn snow - but lasts only about 2,000 to 4,000 feet between applications. I also have found it necessary to use base cleaner to get the residual stuff out of the base pores if I want to get traditional waxes in.
post #12 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for your responses.

I'm definitely a beginner recreational skier and waxing seems too much for me. I ordered 2 pucks from UK and I intend to use them this season as the only product at the beginning and switch to waxing if it doesn't work. What worries me is one application lasts only a few runs.

Do you happen to know if rental skies are waxed (Blue Mountain Resort)? I rented this season and they worked well enough for me.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by catalin View Post

Thanks for your responses.

I'm definitely a beginner recreational skier and waxing seems too much for me.
 

'K.     There are quick-and-easy waxing options available to you, by the way, that do not involve irons or much set-up.

 

I ordered 2 pucks from UK and I intend to use them this season as the only product at the beginning and switch to waxing if it doesn't work. What worries me is one application lasts only a few runs.
 

One application lasts (sometimes much) longer on a waxed base than on an unwaxed one.

Do you happen to know if rental skies are waxed (Blue Mountain Resort)?

I have never rented from Blue; most rental skis are waxed (though not necessarily in between rentals).   Most rental skis are not waxed well.
post #14 of 19
Thread Starter 

What "quick-and-easy waxing options"? Yes, I don't want to iron, thanks.

post #15 of 19
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Originally Posted by catalin View Post

What "quick-and-easy waxing options"? Yes, I don't want to iron, thanks.


Check out the following and our YouTube channel:

Liquid Wax application tips

Spray Wax applications tips

There is also a paste/cream option.

They will last longer and you can get them from Tools4Boards/Briko-Maplus in Calgary. You might contact Rick to find out if there is a retail option near you.

Here's the Maplus Wax test thread. The Universal is a good option for you.

I bet Rick will be at Lake Louise again this year for the WC events and you or anyone can demo the wax.
post #16 of 19
1.  Liquid or paste waxes that leave a hardened coat.

Products in this category include Swix F4, Maplus/Briko liquids, Toko Express, Dominator Momentum.   I've had -really- good success with the Maplus, others on this forum like the F4.

2.  Solid wax that is crayoned onto the bases.

My pick for Blue Mountain mid-winter, on a budget, would probably be something like Toko Dibloc Blue LF.   
Kuu Alpine Rub-on would be another option that comes to mind.

Both options 1 and 2 are more durable than Zardoz on its own.  

Both options 1 and 2 can be combined with Zardoz you already own for extra slip, say when it gets warm or the snow gets filthy.  

Both options 1 and 2 will, imo (and unlike Zardoz),  benefit  from elbow grease, i.e. effort taken to polish the wax applied.   Sort of like polishing after one waxes the car.    That effort, really, is the only downside to these options.  
Edited by comprex - 11/5/09 at 9:27am
post #17 of 19
If you like the protection and durability of hard wax but the slip of Zardoz, many people (racers included) like to treat their bases with iron-on wax first and then give it a final coat of Zardoz for that extra added performance. You could do a hot wax every 4 days and then put on a coating of Zardoz each morning - that will help the hot wax last longer and give you the added performance of 100% fluoro.

But there are also a lot of people who have no interest in hot waxing and use Zardoz exclusively combined with good base treatment (stone grind, edge sharpening and hot wax)  at the beginning of each season.

The great thing is that there are no rules - experiment and see what works best for you - I guarantee that it will be different for everyone. Also, what works for you will change from day to day.
post #18 of 19

Hello followup to Zardoz NOTwax

I have used the product along with others and many different hot waxes for 16 years

Compatible with all wax, even if your gear has not seen wax in a while.
Not just for racers, but the general public is the group that needs this most.

WHO: Racers who have used ZARDOZ NOTwax for over 10 Years.

We have never had a pore clog, except on our face. We have never had base burn.
We have never had an issue of wax not absorbing or changing waxes

We do not always clean before use- How many tunes ???? thousands.

For those who cannot get the felix to work maybe the product you have been using is the problem.

      We cannot speak for others just ourselves and we have not had this issue.

 

Felix -
We apply the notwax, then Hot melt any bodies wax . then prep.
Then another coat of notwax. temp range 10 to 60 degrees.

 

Dupont has thousands of PHD chemists on the payroll. We are not chemists or paid.

Read the patents it is no secret what is in basic Hydro or fluoro waxes.

Some make wax at home and sell it on ebay or on the web.


A racer in GS cares about : the flat base only at the start and finish
Zardoz Notwax makes a difference at the start coefficient of friction.

If you need more you can apply standing up in line. Here and Now!
     
 Facts, not if wax works or who is is better,
We recommend Hot wax, self or shop ever 5 to 8 times out.
    Of course we use ZARDOZ Fluoro Line of  hot wax
 
But who needs wax.

   If you only go by what you see in the Shop or looking at racers, competitors, your missing the truth.
   1-Racers have nice gear, edges sharp, no hairs, wax etc. (small market)  80% tune them 20% Shop
   2-General Public: (big market)  75% public do not Hot wax. 25% Shop .
           On the slope survey 50% of the gear had not seen wax in years.
           I doubt they will add the time to do the work of hot melt, or running to the
           shop.  This works fast here and now!. Sure it will not fix a rusted edge or ptex
           hairs etc.
      
We did an on slope demo day to find out what was really on the slopes.
Roundtop PA , Feb 2011

    

Our estimate thousands of bases that day needed something, right here right now.

One person ( out of 240 skis, boards, twins, fats) said it had no effect, he had rusty and pitted edges, p tex hairs,

 

Test data -

http://www.skidome.org

A chemist did not discover this, Paul was a back country ski binding inventor, who by accident found an application for the product.

 

We never say "Never to hot wax", We always used hot wax felix process. First with "T,S,H" name brands....Hertle FC

  That is why I asked the company to create a Hot Melt wax. First Prototype called Speedy Blue (in patents reference)

       Then Fusion +, Now called Zardoz Fluoro.

and we never post rumors or non verified information.

We test, We prove, then we let you try.

Ask the others to do as much.

Liberty Mtn PA March 6, 2011 9 to 3:30 pm FREE NOTWAX Demo Day..

 

If you need it here and now see why Zardoz NOTwax was voted top 5 things to keep in your gear bag

 

post #19 of 19

Good information skiracerxray.  I think half the fun of this forum for me is trying new stuff and hearing about what other people have done.  Your post is well thought out and well written.  I have some notwax that I was given that I haven't even TRIED because of some of the things I have read (forget even having to pay for it).  Looks like a time to give it a shot.  I don't mind paying for things that work and in a weird way sort of enjoy it if that makes any sense.  Hopefully this is a good chance to learn something new. 

 

Thanks very much for the info.  

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