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New to touring , need ski length advice please

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi there, 

Looking at buying Legend 8000 for touring setup.  I am Femail ,5`4" (163cms) and  140lbs.  Have Prophet 90`s  in 165.  

Forums say go shorter for touring. Legends come in 158 and 165;  which size to go for ??? 158 would seem a bit short.

Any input most welcome, cheers





 
post #2 of 17
 Stick with the length you prefer to ski on and you'll be happier.
post #3 of 17
Yeah, the conventional wisdom is to go a little shorter for touring skis, but in your case I'd say stick with the 165s assuming you have the boots to drive them which is more than likely.  
post #4 of 17
Interesting.  The conventional wisdom down under is to go a little longer than you would for on-piste......  the reasons being, don't go too fat as you'll need good grip on ice and refrozen crud, so go a little longer for the extra float when it gets a little deeper.

After getting into AT skiing a few years ago, all of my skis are starting to get longer.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

Interesting.  The conventional wisdom down under is to go a little longer than you would for on-piste......  the reasons being, don't go too fat as you'll need good grip on ice and refrozen crud, so go a little longer for the extra float when it gets a little deeper.

After getting into AT skiing a few years ago, all of my skis are starting to get longer.

I highlighted what I see to be the big difference.  That, plus you guys are upside down anyways.  
post #6 of 17
If you are lucky enough to ski powder all of the time, so it becomes a East Coast V West Coast thing.....    Mind you, I have had some hard snow days at Squaw and Alpine Meadows and prefered skinnier to fatter skis. 

Back to the OP, what type of snow do you typically get?
post #7 of 17
A slightly different take on this for touring newbies (like myself): it's easier to kick-turn a shorter ski.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by Taxman View Post

If you are lucky enough to ski powder all of the time, so it becomes a East Coast V West Coast thing.....    Mind you, I have had some hard snow days at Squaw and Alpine Meadows and prefered skinnier to fatter skis. 

Well, to continue with your thread drift a little: it's not just about powder, nor should it be - as prickly points out it's easier to move around a shorter ski.  That applies as well to turns in chutes, trees and other tight terrain features...and it's a little lighter as well.  Plus there's a whole spectrum of snow between "ice and refrozen crud" and powder.  I wouldn't characterize east coast US touring as predominantly ice and refrozen crud.  

And finally, overlooking that hard snow days at Alpine and Squaw are actually about in-bounds skiing, even though you may be skiing hard snow in the backcountry it isn't always hard, and a slightly shorter ski is generally more versatile.  Though I'd be the last person in the world to discourage owning a broad range of skis for every possible condition -  - many people that ask beginner advice seem to be looking for an all-around solution.  
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 

I ski mostly inbounds ,off piste, usually soft mid west snow.  I will be venturing into Berthoud Pass this winter and around Chamonix next year  so skis will need to accommodate variable conditions .My fave terrain though is steeps, which I have been skiing in europe for past 20 years.

I have Prophet 90 and Mantras so need something skinnier hence L8000. now looking at K2 Shuksans as lengths are better for me.

Bindings, well thats another ?     dedicated  Dynastar setup from the outset ?  or `trekkers!` god knows    I know the answers really, but more ££££ and more ££££ to put it all in the hold.


Edited by granite - 10/26/09 at 7:52am
post #10 of 17

My view is that Trekkers are of dubious value now that the Duke/Baron series is around. Unless you have a lot of skis mounted with fixed bindings already (and skins for them all!), I can't see spending 100 euros or so on Trekkers when you could apply that cash to the difference between trad bindings and Barons.

 

And, of course, by most accounts touring bindings (Fritschi, Naxo) are getting beefier too.

post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
was sort of joking about the trekkers.  I`ve obviously considered the Frits and Baron/Dukes as I can use my boots without buying AT boots at the moment, but i`m trying to look long term . It`s a common dilemma.
post #12 of 17
Are you going to be using the Prophets and Mantras for touring as well?  Because IMHO,  80mm is kind of narrow for BP's short climb/road laps.  I'm not advocating you get Trekkers, but you can use them on lot's of different skis.
post #13 of 17
Thread Starter 
My Prophets are unmounted so I have been thinking of putting AT bindings on them, saves buying more skis . Don`t know about skins on twintips though. I have been hesitant only as I will use these inbounds a lot and thought AT binders would be a compromise. Have fixed binders on Mantras.
Also for someone who has never ventured out of bounds, dynafits and compat. boots  seem a little extravagant

And just another ?? would my boots Dalbello Krypton/zipfit  be ok for Barons with Prophets, bearing in mind initial  treks would be short. (thinking short term newby less £££ intro)

OMFG i`m so confused!!!!!!
Edited by granite - 10/26/09 at 9:04am
post #14 of 17
 I think an alpine boot would work fine with a Duke/Baron for short skins.  The Dalbello might work better than most.  Lossen it up a bit before skinning, not so loose that its sloppy.  You can get skins on twin tips.  Check out climbingskinsdirect.com for some options at a great price.  I cut the tail off a pair of Gotomas so the skins would fit better.  I'm still undecided if that was a good idea or not.
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for that.  Makes ££ sense to put  AT bins on  my Prophets. I think my concern is stiffness of AT binding inbounds, trees etc. I don`t huck, well nothing over 12" ! stay off the piste,  and i`m not into speed anymore , so maybe I wouldn`t notice any slack.

As for cutting the ends off skis,  yep, thats the sort of thing  I would do. 
Edited by granite - 10/26/09 at 9:45am
post #16 of 17
Given what you've said, I think the route to go is Barons on your Prophets.  That binding would give you all the downhill performance you would ever need.  It also gives you the option to go freeheel, although the Duke/Baron is somewhat clunky in terms of the switchover from walk to ski mode and also slightly less adjustable in climbing mode.

I'm pretty sure you can rout a small notch in the center of the upturned tail of the skis that will hold the skin clamp in place - if necessary.  I wouldn't hesitate to do that with any pair of skis I owned.  I would just make sure I put a heavy coat of moisture sealant of some kind on the area where I had ground away the exterior of the tail of the skis.  I know it SOUNDS scary, but I think it could be done completely safely.

I agree with tpj that your Dalbellos would be one of the best choices for mild-to-moderate skinning in an alpine boot.

In my opinion, you've already got skis and boots that will work.  Just get yourself some Barons and some skins and go have fun.
post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Great stuff, thanks for the confirmation guys, it`s very much appreciated.  Have a good day all. 
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