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Compendium of teaching tips sorted by problem

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
Has anyone ever seen a major compendium of teaching tips for pros, organized by the faulty movement or other problem and student level. In other words, something like:

Leaning back (level 1 - 4):

1) Easier terrain
2) "Squash-the-bug"
3) Hands in front
3) etc.

Leaning back (level 5 - 7):
1) xxx
2) yyy
3) etc.

Twisting of the upper torso (level 1-3):

1) xxx
2) yyy
3) etc.

For example, RustyC of Whitetail ("theRusty" on Epic) has compiled a great bunch of teaching tips on his website ( http://www.therusty.com/instructor_t...m%20_Rusty.htm ) , but they are not sorted, and most are not directed at solving specific problem movements.

Tom / PM

[ February 19, 2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #2 of 9
have you tried this one?
post #3 of 9
Tilt's suggestion is good, I like SkiSmarts

for a more race-like approach, this interesting Austrian Technique website has some diagnostics/drills, but much more limited than SkiSmarts:

You Can Ski
post #4 of 9
Yes, "Skiing and The Art of Carving", by Ellen Post-Foster. There is a great problem solving analysis in the back, which is organized by problem type. For instance, Inclining to the inside of the turn, Leaning too far forward, turning from the upper body, etc."
whtmt & Mackenzie 911
post #5 of 9
Oops, I've been busted!


Check out the Vail teaching handbooks (#172). I've got the snowboard one (#173) in my bag that you can check out next weekend. The PSIA children's skiing handbook also comes pretty close to what you're looking for. My version is old. There are two versions in the catalog: a combined ski and snowboard handbook (#125) and the children's instruction manual (#119).

You can order these from the PSIA catalog

BTW - I set up my tips page so you can search for what you're looking for either by the "Edit-Find" on the page or by using the Google site specific search on the home page. I figured I'd triple the number of tips I've got before I needed to sort them. Now if I could only get more tips written up!

Edited- the instructor tips link that Tom referenced are tips that are matched to tips for skiers on a different page. For very skier tip I post, I add an instructor tip for how to teach the skier tip.

[ February 20, 2004, 09:06 AM: Message edited by: therusty ]
post #6 of 9
Thread Starter 
Hey guys - Thanks for all the recommendations. I knew about the "You Can Ski" website, but had never seen "Skismarts".

I had been considering getting the Post-Foster book for some time now, so I guess I better go out and buy it.

RustyC - Thanks, but don't bother bringing the Vail handbook in this weekend. I was too impatient. The PSIA order that I placed a week or two ago was in my mailbox when I got home yesterday. It contained:

The Vail Handbook (combined Alpine and Snowboard);
"Recipes for Learning" (kids); and
"The PSIA Children's Instruction Manual"

Now, it looks like I have more than enough reading material to keep me busy.

All of these sources contain material of the type I am looking for, but it would be nice if all the tips were in a single place and in a consistent format. I may have to start my own tip sheet, organized the way I like.

Thanks again,

Tom / PM
post #7 of 9
Tom/PM, if you do, I think that writing it in HTML would be good. And putting it on one of those computer things with Apache on it. Yeah. In the ../html directory. That's it! [img]tongue.gif[/img] [img]graemlins/evilgrin.gif[/img]
post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 
Steve - Interesting idea. Maybe even hosted at some place named "epic...something_or_da_other" .

The only problem that I see is that when I was thinking about this just for my own use, I was going to freely copy over tips from every source that I could find.

Unfortunately, this won't work from a copyright POV if we are going to make this available for public consumption/distribution. We could always get permission from the author(s) of each individual tip, but that probably adds more work than I would ever be willing to do.

Maybe the best approach (at least to start) is a low-key, semi-private effort. Maybe we could even start with some large lists of tips that has already been typed, but not yet sorted and formatted. For example, maybe RustyC (theRusty) would like to have the relevant items from his list organized for him (and his good name spread around further - grin).

Even if we presently intend to keep the compendium private, we should keep track of where each tip came from just in case we want to take it public at some point in the future. Otherwise, it will be virtually impossible to give the correct attributions. Fortunately, keeping track of attributions (ie, a list of references) is MUCH easier than getting permission from a zillion individual authors.

For the use I envision (ie, a printed little handbook that one can keep with them, much like the Vail handbook's intent), I don't like Skismart's format where you click on a link, and it opens a new window and takes you to a different webpage. That's wonderful for the web or sitting at a computer, but I was thinking of a format that had concise printed output in mind right from the start.

For example, the way I envision it, the main sections would probably be: Beginners, Intermediates and Advanced (again, much like the Vail Handbook). Within each of these sections could be subsections on balance, rotary, edging, pressure, psychology, fitness, equipment, guest services issues, weather and snow conditions, etc.

Within each subsection, there could be a list of problems and hopefully, a much larger list of possible fixes, exercises, etc. much like I outlined in my first post in this thread. Ideally, it would be nice to have at least one separate fix/exercise/drill for the doers, thinkers, feelers, etc.

What the heck, lets see what happens. Why don't we just keep this thread open and why don't you all just start posting (in it) the most common problems that you see in a typical day of teaching, even if you don't have suggested fixes to go along with them. I'll start keeping track of them.

Keep things real terse. How 'bout a format like this for each submission:

Level (ie, beginner, intermediate, advanced)

Type of problem (ie, balance, rotary, edging, pressure, psychology, fitness, equipment, guest services issues, weather and snow conditions, etc.)

Problem (just a few words, eg, "flailing arms" or "spring mush"))

Solutions (just a sentence or two for each, eg,
"Doer: Have them hold their poles vertically in front of them."
"Feeler: Have them flail even more and see how it feels", etc.)

Attribution (eg, "Original", "Vail Handbook", "RustyC's tips", etc.)

Any interest? Thoughts?

Tom / PM
post #9 of 9
PM, I like it. Note: the copyright isn't on the drill itself, but on the way it's written. If you take a drill like "carved uphill arc" and describe it in your own words, you're done.

Not that I will have any grand insights, but you (and anyone else reading this!) have my explicit permission to use anything I write on this thread provided there is an attribution somewhere in the overall document.
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