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Fischer RC4 WC GS, 188cm, 21m radius. 2005-6 model.

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Please note that there's an error in the headline. These are a 2004-5 model year, not a 2005-6. Sorry for the mix-up there.

This is a great pair of skis. Fischer produced a special run of race stock skis in this model year {as well as before and after} known as "Renn" stock. The WC athletes got special WC pool skis, the huge majority of racers getting deals on skis through Fischer race got the normal race stock, and there were about a hundred pairs at most of "Renn" skis in the country. These were intended to go to a USST C team guy, but he moved to a 191, and my son got this pair. These were very lightly used in the 2004-5 season. My son had three pairs of GS skis that year, and these were used just for races during the second half of the season. I'm guessing that they had some training runs to get dialed in, then the race starts....maybe 50-60 runs. I've skied them about three days since. They are in absolutely perfect shape. The bases are loaded with wax, and they have a lot of edge left.

I kept them as they are a more versatile 21m radius ski, and despite being such a hard core race ski, they are easy and really fun to ski. Some think that the "Renn" stock had a tip that was quicker to engage. They just lock into a turn. Should be a very quick ski for a master, or beer league racer. They run very fast. Nobody in my family is using them. Just too many skis.

They come with the Fischer plates, and with Fischer {Tyrolia} "race diagonal" bindings. All metal, DIN 9-18. Great bindings. Bindings have some very light scratching.

They're four years old, but a lot of people still wish they made them. Sweet ski in a 21m radius.

I'm looking for $185, with the bindings. We can figure out shipping based on your location.  I'm outside of Boston.

PM me for more information.
 






Edited by Muleski - 10/22/09 at 6:29am
post #2 of 10
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This might help, too.

Dimensions are 104-65-90

Mounted and drilled for a 305mm BSL.  Fischer plates are very easy to work with, and can easily be re-drilled a number of times. Bigger or smaller boots will be no issue.

Have had some questions about the Renn Stock. Didn't mean to confuse that. I don't know the total number of Fischer race stock skis that were distributed in the country that year. Say it was 2000. The very best 100-150 pairs were these Renn Stock skis {both SL and GS}, other than the 30-40 pairs of handpicked world cup stock that went to a handful of USST skiers. So they are allegedly "better" than the average race stock. I'm not sure in what ways or by how much, and some of this may have been in the heads of the competitors. My son swears that they do everything "better": better turn initiation, better lock into the turn, quicker and better release for a faster transition.

My assumption has always been that they took more care to really match each ski to form a pair. I also think that they may have selected the very best bases. While all of the base material made at a factory like theirs is pretty consistent, some is judged to be a little better for this purpose. 

This is splitting hairs. They're a very good pair, in great condition, with a lot of life left. Because of the relatively shorter length {guys ski on a 193-5 these days}, and the shorter radius {21m is a ton shorter than 27m}, they are a versatile. I suspect that these would be quite a bit faster under a skilled skier in a beer league or NASTAR type race than a newer cheater GS. Just my hunch. These skis ran very fast. They also are a great cruiser for free skiing. Just don't have a need for them.

Thanks. PM me with any questions.
post #3 of 10
Are you sure those bindings are 18 din? Look like the FR17- Free flex bindings of the time that Fischer had branded by Tyrolia which would be a 6-17 din max. 
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Yes, absolutely sure. These are Fischer branded bindings, which were made by Tyrolia, as I had noted.  I believe that this was the first year of that arrangement. These are labeled as fr17 race diagonal. They are ALL metal, unlike the production fr17, and as you can see from the picture, the DIN range is 9-18. Completely different binding than the production fr17, other than the graphics and colors. This model year also had a beefier version of the freeflex plate, I honestly think for cosmetics more than anything else. I think they got rid of the freeflex in the following year's race bindings, as I remember. Not sure if it did much. These were distributed only through Fischer race, and the race director, Mike Day. No retail for this one. Great binding. The binding is probably worth the total price of the skis, or close to it.

Hope the pictures help.








Edited by Muleski - 10/22/09 at 3:34pm
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Completely different binding than the production fr17, other than the graphics and colors.


Actually, not completely different.

It does look like they used the same graphics rather than label them FR18.  But judging from the Tyrolia spec sheets for the comparable Tyrolia-branded bindings, they've got a lot in common. 

Both use the Aero toe, with a GFK housing, although the 18 has aluminum pincers instead of GFK.  The heel is the biggest difference; it's steel and aluminum for the 18, but GFK for the 17.  The 18 has a 2mm lower stand height throughout.  And the 18 has a flat AFD instead of the tractor type.  And the 18 is about a pound heavier for the pair -- 3030g vs 2680g.

The point being, these are competition bindings that are even burlier than the standard Tyrolia/Fischer race bindings.  They are probably worth the asking price on their own.  Sweet deal for someone.
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Not quite. The binding housing on these toes is ALL metal, other than the flap on the front which accesses the adjustment screw. No GFK housing. To the degree than all all metal binding, with entirely different springs, is the same, yes. The basic design is obviously the same. It's a lot like a Marker 2000 versus a plastic shell 18. Not really the same. 

These were among the first "Fischer" race bindings. I remember my son taking off to New Zealand with two-three pairs, and packing a pair of Marker's.....just in case. No need for the "in case" as he had nothing but a great experience on these bindings. At the time that he went on them, nobody had even seen them, so that may explain the early graphics of that year. He didn't stay on Fischer for much longer, or he'd probably still be using them. Truth be told he had an issue with their boot, and refused to use it.
My daughter had similar bindings when she was on Elan, in that case Elan branded Tyrolia's. Same results. They really are great bindings. And as you said, burly. Both kids agree that this have the most definitive "clunk" when stepping in of any binding they've had. That includes Marker 3000's and Salomon 920's. 
 
I don't want to lose sight of the skis, though. The skis are a very, very good pair in great shape.

Sorry for the detail, but I'm sure. Real sure.

As I've said, this set-up, though older, was clearly the real deal.   21m GS?  Great deal, I hope, for the right bear!

Thanks.

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Originally Posted by Muleski View Post

Not quite. The binding housing on these toes is ALL metal, other than the flap on the front which accesses the adjustment screw. No GFK housing. To the degree than all all metal binding, with entirely different springs, is the same, yes. The basic design is obviously the same. It's a lot like a Marker 2000 versus a plastic shell 18. Not really the same. 

These were among the first "Fischer" race bindings. I remember my son taking off to New Zealand with two-three pairs, and packing a pair of Marker's.....just in case. No need for the "in case" as he had nothing but a great experience on these bindings. At the time that he went on them, nobody had even seen them, so that may explain the early graphics of that year. He didn't stay on Fischer for much longer, or he'd probably still be using them. Truth be told he had an issue with their boot, and refused to use it.
My daughter had similar bindings when she was on Elan, in that case Elan branded Tyrolia's. Same results. They really are great bindings. And as you said, burly. Both kids agree that this have the most definitive "clunk" when stepping in of any binding they've had. That includes Marker 3000's and Salomon 920's. 
 
I don't want to lose sight of the skis, though. The skis are a very, very good pair in great shape.

Sorry for the detail, but I'm sure. Real sure.

As I've said, this set-up, though older, was clearly the real deal.   21m GS?  Great deal, I hope, for the right bear!

Thanks.


Yup.  I have a pair of these bindings and they are the same, marked FR17 with the 18 Din range.  I have also seen some 18s with the later graphics and they were still marked 17!   The visible difference is in the flat AFD as TheDad said although i didn't realize they had the lower stack height.  Great bindings and i definitely agree with the solid "Clunk"!.

This is a terrific deal for someone.!  Skis and gear from Muleski are the real deal and even better condition than he describes.  If anyone is considering them but is worried about th 9-18 Din range i will be happy to swap a hardly used set of Fischer FR17s with a more normal 6-17 din range for them
post #8 of 10
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Thanks, SS, for the endorsement. Same goes for your equipment that's been for sale. The genuine "stuff", in great shape.

Pleased to report that pending payment, these have been SOLD and are headed to a good home with a bear. Thanks, and thanks Epic Ski.
post #9 of 10
Hello,

If the buyer backs out let me know.

Thanks
post #10 of 10
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SOLD!! Thanks, Epic Ski.
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