Originally Posted by snofun3
3) So being a park rat, and a big mtn killer is the same because someone (you) decided to call them the same thing. Okey doke.
4) But if all the dudzes have to use the same rail to scrape, then there's no creativity there either using such "logic"
Really we're all just skiers. we ride the same mountains, and we all love the sport. We share the same interests, and we're all at the lift at 8:00 fighting for first tracks after a fresh snow. So even though we might like different parts of skiing more than others, we all are at the mountain for the same thing.
Just because we have the same rail doesnt mean we all hit it the same way, just like when artists are given fresh canvas', they don't all paint the same thing. Racing is more about doing things perfect rather than doing whatever you want. Personally I like the freedom to try different things on the same obstacle rather than do the same thing each run, but I can't say that I disliked my racing days. Watch some Andy Parry edits to see some real creativity on rails. I couldn't believe what he was doing the first time I watched him.
Originally Posted by bumpfreaq
Also, I wasn't hatin' on the clothes but I do think the belt way below the butt look is very silly. But that's the point, right? There's a long long history of young people choosing fashion that not so young people find ridiculous. This was certainly a strength of mine back in the day. Back then the point was to differentiate ourselves from our parents' generation....."you think our style looks silly because you don't understand us... and you never will!!!" I figure it's pretty much the same thing with the ultra baggy look. Could be wrong though =)
I know you wewn't hatin, but someone else had said something along the lines of us being "foul mouthed, antisocial thugs" which I really didn't like. Just because we dress like that, it doesn't mean we're angry antisocial kids that swear alot and hate the world. Some of us probably are like that, but most of us are just out there to have fun.
Originally Posted by MojoMan
You may not be rude little brats, yourselves, but many of these flicks tend to inspire the rude little brats on the hills, and in turn these rude little brats tend to ruin the experience for everyone else.
I don't think anyone ever watched a classic Warren Movie film and felt inspired by the movie to go out on the hill and act like a foul-mouthed, vulgar, anti-social thug. They might feel inspired to take a trip they never have before, but never inspired to drop F-Bombs from the lift, talk trash, and act like a complete anti social misfit in the lodge, on the hill, and in the bars. It is obviously rediclous to say all free-stylers behave this way or everyone who watches these movies goes out and behaves like a lunatic, but IMO the 'new school' movement does foster this anti-social thug mindset that sometimes tranlstes to a very poor experience for others on the hill. Many of the athletes are quite talented. Too bad they just couldn't stick to skiing and forget about portraying an image of 'thugery'.
Freestyle has not contaminated skiing; the behavior of some freestylers has, IMO.
Sorry that you've ran into so many of these wannabe gangsters. Most of us are just out there to have fun. And if you watch clips of pros not edited into movies, they're not angry gangsters that swear at other skiers. They're always supportive of eachother and are really just out there to ski.
Originally Posted by MojoMan
Most kids know enough to realize a game is just a game--it does not represent the real world. When kids see real people on the screen in real-life situations, acting like misfits and getting attention and notoriety, they believe that's what they need to do if they want the attention and notoriety of their peers. They tend to emulate the antics, clothing, mannerisms, and language of these individuals.
There is nothing wrong with being young and not wanting to go with the flow. We all were that way: we all dressed differently from the 'norm', acted differently, and wanted to be part of the crowd. That's part of being a kid. The difference is, our not going with the flow didn't come with the presumption that one also had to publically act like a thug in speech and behavior in order to be part of the crowd. This goes beyond clothing or style or choice of activity on the snow. It's a mindset that thugery is something to be emulated and profanity is a virtue -- and if other's don't like hearing the profnaity, too bad. The philsophy seems to be, "We are young so our behavior should be excused as just inncoent adolescent rebellion. We have the right to talk trash and behave how we please wherever we want. We can spew profanities in front of others, even in front of your kids."
Once again, sorry for all of the kids that don't understand what skiing is really about. These kids are just wannabes that that act gangster cuz they're not good enough to let their skiing talk for them.
Originally Posted by MattL
I can see plenty of "flippy spinny" by watching the X games. There isn't a venue for us 'masses' to see big mountain turns in action other than on film. I actually enjoy watching the X Games and think it is a great spectator sport, but I want to see steep, deep big mountain skiing
in the flicks.
Warren is on Facebook. You can read his views there. What he can say at this time, that is.
My initial reaction is that if I were WME I would be pretty damn po'ed too if I paid millions of dollars for the rights and they were being undermined. I think where it gets sketchy is the company and rights were sold multiple times so they are "x times removed".
I won't pass judgment (and no disrespect meant to a living legend), but that's what it looks like, just sayin'.
You should check out TGR or MSP films. They usually have a good amount of big mtn skiing and the park parts arent in your face gangsta rap.
I'm friends with warren on facebook. I actually talked to him once through the facebook IM. I was stunned that he actually cared about what I was saying and took his time to write thoughtful responses.
I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure that the contracts expired and the ones that would still be affecting warren were never signed
Originally Posted by MojoMan
Also, for those who lack the experience and skills of those in their newschool peer group at their local hill, they figure they can make up for the lack of status in the group by amping up the 'hardcore' behavior and mannerisms. If they can't get the attention of their peers through a display of skill, they can be especially open and forecull in their display of 'thugery'. In their minds, 'bad-azz' thugery can make up for lack of skill and allow one to gain some cred with 'the homies back in the crib.' From my observations, most really aren't seriously working on skill development, they are just acting like thugs; because that's the only thing they can do to get the attention of their peers and score 'steeze' points. The problem is amplified if there are girls around(I believe they are referred to as 'Bettys')
Respect gets respect. Yes, folks outside the newschoolers show lack of courtesy or respect for others, but it seems to be especially prevalent in the NS movement.
I agree 100%. The kids that are out there swearing and acting like thugs are the ones with no skill, and no motivation to improve. However, i get kinda annoyed the way that the word "steeze" is thrown around on this website. Steeze is a combination of style and ease. The kids that you're talking about have no steeze. The only way to have steeze is to ski on a level above everyone else, which very few can do. Although the steeziest skiiers usually wear baggy clothes and describe tricks/landings as thug or gangster, they are in no way trying to act like real thugs. The ones trying to do that are just those wannabe losers that are trying to make up for their lack of skill
Originally Posted by TheDad
I don't think the kids -- especially not my
kids -- should be hearing that either. In my experience, however, it ain't just the newschoolers who use inappropriate language around them.
Thanks for recognizing that we're not the only ones out there doing that. If you sit within 20 feet of the bar you'll hear worse things than any of us would ever say.
Originally Posted by MojoMan
I The truly gifted and talented newschoolers do their talking by displaying their skill on the snow, they don't need to constantly be acting up to get attention.
Thank you for pointing that out
And thanks to everyone for acceping me. I'll definately be checking the EpicSki boards every once and a while to throw in some comments from a different perspective.
Two skis, one love,