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I actually posted the vid because seeing that kind of athletic performance gets me pumped up for skiing as much as any big mountain ski porn. I thought it was worth sharing.
I guess the correlation is that it was a link I found from Gurshmans' page. He must be drawing some parallels between what he is doing & WC technique. Gurshman is demonstrating his interpretation of how they get there. I'm not sure I like Gursmans' exagerated inclination, but there are times when I find it useful & it is certainly not crap to me.
Whether it is GG's, HH's, PSIA's, CSIA's, SSH's or my own interpretation, it doesn't make any difference. To call it "crap" is just close minded & limiting. All of these organizations & individuals have put a lot of thought & time in trying to describe what is going on. Like it or not, good or bad, I can usually find something useful in their descriptions & demonstrations. Skiing technique swings on a large scale. Finding the middle ground, & then exploring the extremes on either end is what keeps it fun & interesting.
Thanks for the excellent Ligety clip... (and a nice guy, too).
You are welcome. I agree that the skiing on that video is other worldly. Personally, I have not found a real GS ski that I am comfortable on for the past 10 years. I just cannot create enough energy or strength to make them work for me. I am not sure I follow all of your rant, so I won't attempt to comment. I can relate to some of what you are saying though & I enjoyed reading it.
g-force - that video that is at the top in the link is not of coach Greg its of Kalle Pallander.
TDK, the video in the link has changed since g-force orginally posted it. Maybe GG is monitoring this thread & is trying to make a point.
I hope Pallander is back racing this season.
Notice on the GS where Pallendar uses more angulation and where he uses more inclination.
Thanks for helping me make my point E.
Before someone asks "So what's your point?" My point is that both have their place depending on the situation. It is not just applicable in the race course or for WC athletes, this kind of versatility is valuable for everyone in all types of conditions.
I've never heard the term projection before. I would guess that it refers to projecting the feet away from the body ( to the outside of the turn) rather than bringing the body to the inside.
Yes, there are different types of projection. You are referring to "Lateral Projection", it least that is my understanding. I don't think I would call it pushing though. Maybe extending or reaching with the feet is a better description. I also don't think it is a purely racing tactic, I bet you do it in the powder a bunch, along with early inclination.
Projection is a new word for me but I will start using your definition. Yes, projecting the body into the turn is a gamble. I used to call this part of the turn setting up the gross parameters of the turn.
Now we have another term to bat around, projection. What you describe as "projecting the body into the turn" to me is referred to as "hip projection", where we extend the CoM diagonally across the skis into the direction of the new turn.
Tetonpowderjunkie is descriping what is to me "lateral projection", two different things, although I think they can be used together. I may be way off base, but those are how I've always thought of when I've heard those terms. Maybe someone has a glossary, or I'll try & look it up.