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post #61 of 71

What does everyone think about the Atomic Blackeye Ti's?  I've been told that they are probably the best all mountain, definitely non-park ski, on the market.  Hell, they were voted best. 

 

I don't mean to take away from Goove here, but I too am looking for suggestions.  I am 36-years-of-age, 6'2' 230, but plan to be in the 215 to 220 range by ski season.  I am not as strong or at the expert level that I used to be because I was away for 4 years and have been back, yet only 6 or so days a year, for 3 years.  Anyway, I bought a pair of Whiteouts 2 years ago because not only was I told they were only a slight step down from the Blackeyes, but I found them for only $200 new.  This was my bad because I did not do my own research.  They are sweet, but when pushed to the limit, get way too chattery and definitely not a true chopper through crud.  I ate it pretty bad last year because they did not want to cut at all through some un-expected crud that I did not see on an overcast day.  They were; however, snappy and responsive in the steeps. 

 

I have skied numerous brands.  Used to be a complete K2 fan, but once I stepped on Atomic skis, I loved em.  Of Atomic, I demoed the Blackeyes from 09 and aside from Atomic, I demoed the AC50's and the Legend 8000 and absolutely loved those as well, but for what I was willing to spend, ended up getting the Whiteouts.  So my plan now is to sell off my Whiteouts and get into either the Blackeye Ti's or the aforementioned.  I am willing to consider the Gotamas though now that I've read these posts, but how much better are they from what I've mentioned.  I'm not sure what to do at this point.  Just want a good 50/50, maybe a little bias toward 70/30 that does not require being pushed, but will also be able to handle the steeps when I decide to straight-line em for the last 50 yards.     

post #62 of 71
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Originally Posted by skidel View Post

I just looked at the Icelantic Shaman in a local ski store - I can't believe so many people are convinced a ski this wide under foot can be a one quiver ski.  I can see it doing really well in powder and crud, but hard and soft packed groomers?  I don't know.  Perhaps I think that a one quiver ski should actually a hard arc at speed fairly well, and handle FAIRLY WELL (remember, a one quiver ski will do it all but isn't a specialty ski) in powder and crud. I see lots of skiers on a ski this wide coming down groomers from time to time - but they just bomb it - you don't see the arced turn you might expect.  I have a second pair of fairly wide (under foot) skis, and they do OK on hard pack, but not like my best choice for a "one quiver" ski.  I prefer them in powder, but not by much.  Perhaps it's just that the sport of skiing is converting to a totally different style - and I don't get it.  Just my 2 cents.

I wondered the same think skidel.  However, Sierra Jim really likes the Gotamas as a once quiver, which are really wide under foot.  It seems to me with that cut, you would have to work at carving in the steeps with something like that.  But what do I know.  I only bought my 1st set of shaped skiis in 09.  I came from a pair of K2 TRC 204s,  LOL. 

 

 
 

 

post #63 of 71

Hey, have you guys considered Blizzard, the Answer or the One?  I just picked up the One, and stoked it fits the bill of the all mountain "jibby" twin tip, with a "utility" rocker. I've heard great things about both skis. If I didn't live on the East Coast I would be all over the Answer at 110 mm  in the waist for Utah powder. Plus I was sold for the IQ max slider to maybe keep one ski and multiple pairs of bindings.

post #64 of 71

depends on which mountain is your "all mountain", but if it out west and you can roll them on edge for turn initiation, the S7's can be a great all mountain ski....

post #65 of 71

I bought some Line Prophet 100's last year and have used them in every kind of condition and I love them. fast quick turning G S turns  these skis have it all. i wouldn't want to ski bumps all day with them but they make it through them just fine. No i don't work for line or get paid by them to advertise ha ha ha, just a guy that likes his skis.

post #66 of 71

Possibly the Volkl RTM 84. 

 

That's what I would have if Marker bindings didn't come on it.  If you like Marker, I'd say that one. 

post #67 of 71
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Originally Posted by Blake Saunders View Post

Possibly the Volkl RTM 84. 

 

That's what I would have if Marker bindings didn't come on it.  If you like Marker, I'd say that one. 



why do you not like marker bindings?

post #68 of 71

I don't like Marker's because they've nearly killed me, multiple times.  If that's not a good reason, I don't know what is : ) 

 

They are made to release "on point" which means that they have no play in them.  In other words they can't start to move like they're coming off, then end up staying on.  The "on point" idea for me means that they just randomly blow off for no reason.  This must have happened to me between 5 and 10 times last season.  I know they shouldn't be coming off because 9 out of 10 times when this happens I don't even crash I am just all of a sudden on one ski going really fast and I have to stop on one.  It's pretty rediculous.  I'll just be skiing along and then 'BOOM' suddenly I'm on one ski in a bunch of trees or whatever.  It has happened at some really dangerous times.  I've had them tested and cranked up the DINs and everything.  Nothing works.  They just suck.  I've also had more than one pair of them.  I guess marker thinks it's safer for your knees to make them like that, but nothing is safer if you hit a tree or something else because your skis are blowing off.  I've even had them both just randomly blow off at the same time.  They're horrible.  I don't think any truly skilled or aggressive skier should be on them. 

post #69 of 71
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I don't like Marker's because they've nearly killed me, multiple times.  If that's not a good reason, I don't know what is : ) 

 

They are made to release "on point" which means that they have no play in them.  In other words they can't start to move like they're coming off, then end up staying on.  The "on point" idea for me means that they just randomly blow off for no reason.  This must have happened to me between 5 and 10 times last season.  I know they shouldn't be coming off because 9 out of 10 times when this happens I don't even crash I am just all of a sudden on one ski going really fast and I have to stop on one.  It's pretty rediculous.  I'll just be skiing along and then 'BOOM' suddenly I'm on one ski in a bunch of trees or whatever.  It has happened at some really dangerous times.  I've had them tested and cranked up the DINs and everything.  Nothing works.  They just suck.  I've also had more than one pair of them.  I guess marker thinks it's safer for your knees to make them like that, but nothing is safer if you hit a tree or something else because your skis are blowing off.  I've even had them both just randomly blow off at the same time.  They're horrible.  I don't think any truly skilled or aggressive skier should be on them. 


the release mech on the RTM is way different than the old bio metric toe.

 

The biggest issue with the old marker is as the ski decambered the toe would release. The "royal" series binding do not have the same problem.

 

There are tons of truly skilled and aggresive skiers on them(ala marker duke/jester) now.

 

 

 

post #70 of 71

That's good to hear that they're making changes.  I still won't buy them anymore though. 

post #71 of 71

How about Skilogik Rave's in 175 length and 92 underfoot (and 15m arc)?  I love them out West even though that is exception for me rather than the rule (mid atlantic East coast).  It is the only ski of theirs that I tried.  I know that the Ullr's Chariot got high marks (a bit wider- maybe 101 underfoot and 16m arc) but I don't have personal experience.

I will be on their new ski, the Front Burner (84 underfoot, 14m arc in any length- I'll take 168 for the East) soon- I'll report back what I find in a few weeks.

Good luck with the choice.

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