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post #31 of 58
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 Fight, Fight, Fight!!!

'bout what?................

SJ
post #32 of 58
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Thanks SJ.  What directions does the FD toe release in, besides lateral? 
 

The FD toe offers lateral, and true mechanically controlled upward release. It also offers a slightly theoretical 180* roll release capability. (Note that I say theoretical because it does require a slight rearward movement of the boot sole in order for the lateral cams to disengage)

FWIW all other current multidirection toes require the boot to move rearward for an upward release while the look does not. Also none of the others offer the 180* roll out.

SJ
post #33 of 58
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Originally Posted by Gotama View Post

 Hey comon';

Its Look/Rossi/ Dynastar, we are destine to have at leat 1500 (ok, 3 at least) versions of the same thing with conflicting models # just to confuse and confound the market.

What a marketing strategy, confuse and concour.

But , yeah,  Marker sucks, after all they make it clear what they sell.  Who needs that?

.

Look has two models, each with two brakes, Rossi has the same.............This is confusing???

Marker Royals series = six models, each with three brakes, some with two sizes.....And this is clear???

SJ
post #34 of 58
 You guys sure they have zero delta? Both if them? I'd expect the 14 to have 2mm more delta than the 18.
post #35 of 58
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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post

 Fight, Fight, Fight!!!
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'bout what?................

SJ
 


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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post

 Has anyone heard one way or the other if there will be a Dynastar branded version too?




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Originally Posted by backroom View Post

HI
There will be,




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think that is incorrect.

SJ
 


post #36 of 58
Yeah I get all that.....but why you do think this is a reason to fight?? This is probably just two different sets of information. No big deal.

Fight??......geeeeze.....grow up!

SJ
post #37 of 58
 Spending too much time on TGR recently I guess... 

Would love a final and agreed upon answer on the Dynastar question though.  I'm going to be buying a pair of these soon, and want to know if I'll have 2 color choices... or 3.
post #38 of 58
I bought a brake, 100mm, Look NX/PX and it fits nothing I have (Pivot and Dynastar Race 14). Can I get a 100 for the Race 14? anyone want to trade for my Race 14's 115mm brake or  pick up the NXPX that won't fit it for a few bucks?
post #39 of 58
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer View Post

Has anyone had any negative experience with the PX18?  Obviously the toe is the same, and the heel (in theory anyway) does offer some advantages. 

  • Greater adjustment range between boot sole lengths
  • More accurate forward pressure adjustment
  • Less likely to break your finger in half
  • Separate brakes that can be exchanged for different widths.


Like I said....   "in theory"  I only have limited experience with either one.  Does anyone who has experience with both have any input?
 
The p18 is more nimble & lighter.  We had to have custom Vist plates made due to the short mounting zone & my wifes 266mm boots.  p18s also tended to crack, blow up the forward pressure piece, yet are fully serviceable.  MFX has a greater adjustment & is easier to deal with.  Both solid clamps.  MFX is way heavy. 


post #40 of 58
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The p18 is more nimble & lighter.  We had to have custom Vist plates made due to the short mounting zone & my wifes 266mm boots.  p18s also tended to crack, blow up the forward pressure piece, yet are fully serviceable.  MFX has a greater adjustment & is easier to deal with.  Both solid clamps.  MFX is way heavy. 



Sounds good...  Thanks.  (nice quiver!)
post #41 of 58
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Originally Posted by ssh View Post

So....

Why did they stop making them?

Why have they started making them again?

I may have to find a pair of skis just to mount them with Looks... I skied them exclusively for decades...

Production tools broke. Look/Rossi retooled with new marketing goals. Demand forced them to (re)tool again. They're expensive as hell because those who buy them will buy them for the purpose of owning them for 10 years. 

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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

Does anyone else find it "interesting" that this incarnation of the Pivot is being clearly marketed for the park? The graphics, lowered heel and thus zero delta angle and even Look's marketing video all scream PARK. To bad they didn't keep one variation "pure" with decent graphics and the old delta (would be so simple). I'll bet the brand sponsored racers will still be skiing the PX18's this season.

What the hell were/are they thinking? Will the park rats pony up the $400 to be seen on these.(or should I say, their parents!)

So I see it as a win/loose effort by Look/Rossi. Glad it's back and yet not living up to what they could have.....

The elastic travel of the heel dominates the whole market... as does the pivot release. Racers who need a true bend underfoot will still use plate bindings. 

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Originally Posted by spindrift View Post

 What SJ said...

The big error in this product is the lack of a standard 130 brake option.

Kind of agree. But my 130 waisted skis wouldn't really benefit with this binding more than a Duke or an STH 16... my versions of perfect fat pow bindings... neither of which are preferred in the BM scene where 90% of riders are on 115 waisted skis.

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Originally Posted by ssh View Post

I actually think that the old delta was one of the unfortunately "features" of the old design, so welcome the flat delta, enabling boot work to more completely address my balancing needs. Nice! 

Completely agreed. 

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Originally Posted by JayPowHound View Post

 Spending too much time on TGR recently I guess... 

Would love a final and agreed upon answer on the Dynastar question though.  I'm going to be buying a pair of these soon, and want to know if I'll have 2 color choices... or 3.

You have 2 color options. 
post #42 of 58
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You have 2 color options. 

3 or 4 if you include the FKS. 
post #43 of 58
Philpug....think how sweet a pair of these would look on a new pair of Blizzard 8.1 IQ MAX's by way of the MAX Slider......in a 179cm perhaps? I know that I'm thinking of that very combo

Group buy?
post #44 of 58
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post

Philpug....think how sweet a pair of these would look on a new pair of Blizzard 8.1 IQ MAX's by way of the MAX Slider......in a 179cm perhaps? I know that I'm thinking of that very combo

Group buy?
 
It is on my shortlist for sure.

I have sliders "in stock"
post #45 of 58
With all this wonderful talk about the return of the PIVOT, perhaps a "look" back is appropriate.

Here's a couple of prior versions poised next to their daddy the Look n77 (grandpa was napping)
post #46 of 58
Let us not forget the 57 and 17 models. Specially the heel clip for the 17 roller.
post #47 of 58
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Let us not forget the 57 and 17 models. Specially the heel clip for the 17 roller.

I didn't forget....just trying to show the more recent history. The plastic piece used with leather boots was quickly forgotten once the plastic boot revolution started and made it obsolete.The earliest n17's had two rollers in the heel piece.

And since you asked....
post #48 of 58
Thanks Rossi I feel much better now. You've got a frik'n ski musem.
post #49 of 58
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post

 There will be a Rossignol version. 

post #50 of 58
Just mounted the Look pivot to my Slider plate. I actually prefer this over the Rossi color.
post #51 of 58
Hello! You people seem to know a lot about the Look/Rossi turntable history. Whats the lowdown on the heritage of the TZ binding? Is it still indemnified? I came across a pair on fleabay the other day and didn't recognise the model.

Any info would be appreciated.
Ta
post #52 of 58
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post

The FD toe offers lateral, and true mechanically controlled upward release. It also offers a slightly theoretical 180* roll release capability. (Note that I say theoretical because it does require a slight rearward movement of the boot sole in order for the lateral cams to disengage)

FWIW all other current multidirection toes require the boot to move rearward for an upward release while the look does not. Also none of the others offer the 180* roll out.

SJ
 

Ooooooh oooooh...  I got the theoretical!

About a few weeks ago I was getting a bit too enthusiastic with my Dynastar Contact 10's.  I got spat out in a fairly complicated manner and found myself about 50 feet downslope.  When I retrieved my released ski, I found that both wings of the FD toe were rotated and stuck ~90 degrees (along the axis of the adjusting bolt) from where they normally were.  This was rather strange as I had never 1) envisioned that they could release that way, and 2) they were quite stuck and I could not undo them by hand.  I freed them by backing the adjustment bolt off.  They popped back into place, but there is now a nick on the top edge of the FD main body where the wings had sat. 

It didn't seem to interfere with any motion of the binding (tested it out before I re-tightened the adjusment bolt), except maybe it might keep the wings from rotating the entire 180 degrees.  Of course, I'd hate to see what it would take for that to happen.
post #53 of 58
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Originally Posted by mrski00 View Post

Just mounted the Look pivot to my Slider plate. I actually prefer this over the Rossi color.


That is one gorgeous binding. No more adjustable rails, back to the t.t.design Nice. I'm going to that as I replace my current fleet of Looks  Do they have all the brake widths straight out of the gate with this model?

Good thing about Looks: Today's snow was sticky, so in and out of the bindings for crossing rock etc. your boots and bindings might retain some snow. With the Look you can grab that heel piece and yank up on it, driving your boot down onto the heel plate. Nice time saver as opposed to having to get all the snow out or the binding freaks and won't click.

and I know that's very bad practice, so don't try this with your Looks
post #54 of 58
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Originally Posted by Rossi Smash View Post




I didn't forget....just trying to show the more recent history. The plastic piece used with leather boots was quickly forgotten once the plastic boot revolution started and made it obsolete.The earliest n17's had two rollers in the heel piece.

And since you asked....


 


next time they are lined up for a shot, get the angle from the front also. I like both views. 

would the internal spring and pivot system of the Look be one of the longest running designs?  My new ones still feel a hell of a lot like what I had in the 70's.
Edited by davluri - 1/13/10 at 7:14pm
post #55 of 58
Yep, that happens from time to time and is what that toepiece is designed to do. There is no telling what mayhem to your soft tissues may have been prevented.

SJ
post #56 of 58
Rossismash -

I just realized what is missing in your collection.  You don't have a set of pubic Nevadas.
post #57 of 58
this post makes me happy.  It makes me feel all warm and fuzzy to know that other ski tuners around the world have the same addiction as I do.  Very Nice!
post #58 of 58
us a couple of cut off ski poles to bend that shit out..  You just gotta screw it on there first.  Do it all da time man.
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