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Are we really pigs?

post #1 of 21
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Here is an interesting photo commentary on how ski tourism has changed the Austrian Alps.  The commentator's none too flattering viewpoint is presented in 20 "then and now" photographs which can be viewed at the link below.  The thought that immediately came to my mind after viewing the photos is that the commentator must think skiers are pigs.  Indeed, a pig is prominent in one of the photos.  What say you? 

www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/6243655/How-skiing-changed-the-Alps.html
post #2 of 21
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Originally Posted by liv4ski View Post

 What say you? 
 

You could go to Austria and take any of those before pictures now.
post #3 of 21
2 different eras from the look of the photos. As far as Pigs go.....the new era is a disposable one.
post #4 of 21
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Originally Posted by epic View Post




You could go to Austria and take any of those before pictures now.

And, you can go to many places not near the mountains and take many of those "after" pictures as well, like the pictures of bars, chicken joints, and sex ads.

Things have changed drastically nearly everywhere in the last 100 years, not just in ski resorts.
post #5 of 21
Only a few of the "after" pictures are directly the result of skiing. I visited Austria last year, it looks like this;

post #6 of 21
The pics a biased to show the the photographers own personal views. It looks like many of the "after" pics were taken during, or after a large event and I am sure are not typical of an average day. You could do that photo essay almost anywhere in the world and have a similar result. IMO it paints an unfair picture of the ski world and does really represent the norm.
post #7 of 21
This guy has something against skiers.

Skiing like golf, is not usually a sport enjoyed regularly by a bunch of young, rowdy people that are likely to leave a mess like those beer bottles. In fact, i have never seen a collection of trash like that on any US mountain.

As for the rowdy bars and pictures, that's as much on the culture as it is any activity. you can find that stuff anywhere if youre looking for it.

I actually enjoy skiing in part because the education levels and levels of public behavior are usually higher than a football game or a public beach.
post #8 of 21
The bottles and garbage was pretty ugly and I wonder why that was tolerated or created. It doesn't seem like common behavior so I wonder if it was after some event  like a live music event at night was held and it hadn't been cleaned properly yet.

The rest was the usual use of contrasting images to  try to support a narrow point of view to be made.
post #9 of 21

100 years ago after the big celebration, all of those kegs would have been wood instead of aluminum.  2 barrel staves 4 nails and somebodies belt and we got trick skis!  Wonder if the beer was better?

With all of the litter pictures the question is how well they were picked up.  Have a hard time seeing mountain people anywhere leaving a mess like that for too long. 

 

As for the sex and porn stuff; that has been a factor of life anywhere there has been high concentrations of young men forever.  If you want an eye opener look up 'Federal Mining District Laws' here in the US; most Baptist ministers wouldn't approve.
 

post #10 of 21
That photo essay is stupid. I don't see the connection to skiing at all.
post #11 of 21
As Tromano said, this has nothing to do with skiing. Whole world changed in last 50, 100, 500 years. Even in places where there's no skiing, they still don't have same lifestyle as they had 100 years ago. I would agree skiing changed landscape (a bit or a lot, depending where you look), pollution is most likely bigger too, so there are some environment issues, but please let's not blame skiing for not having cows in middle of local gasthaus anymore, and for not having pig butchery in middle of village anymore. This has nothing to do with skiing. It's just normal lifestyle change not related to skiing or any other sport... nothing more nothing less.
post #12 of 21
What a lame set of pictures.
post #13 of 21

Did you notice the schnapps flasks in front of the traditional garbed dancers?

Like they didn't drink back in the day.

Just a lot more people now.

post #14 of 21
The most offensive thing is the Red Bull banner. That stuff comes straight out of the toilet.
post #15 of 21
This seems an example wherein someone puts together several pictures, all taken out of context, in order to promote an idea or premonition. That being one of things may not always change for the better ,,, or rather why can't things remain the same as with 40 years ago. 

Perhaps the overall point instead is not what skiing has done to the Alps, rather what people or commercialism have done to the Alps.  John Prine made the same point in his song 'Paradise' ... "chalk it up to the progress of man".
post #16 of 21
That's why I love it when skiers try to stand on some environmental moral high ground because they love the outdoors so much.  Just the fact that you ski means that you support the massive deforestation of mountains and the erecting of towers, lodges, parking lots and such.  

The people who flame others for having big SUVs and stuff like that just boggle my mind.  Yeah, you may have driven your Prius ot the hill, but that hill just burned 4,000 gallons of diesel to pump that fake snow onto the slopes.  We're ALL destroying the planet, I suggest we all take responsibility and just move forward.  Nothing short of a worldwide Ebola outbreak is going to stop it.  Yep the "urban sprawl" is continuing...  No suprise there.   
post #17 of 21
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Originally Posted by Do Work View Post

That's why I love it when skiers try to stand on some environmental moral high ground because they love the outdoors so much.  Just the fact that you ski means that you support the massive deforestation of mountains and the erecting of towers, lodges, parking lots and such.  

The people who flame others for having big SUVs and stuff like that just boggle my mind.  Yeah, you may have driven your Prius ot the hill, but that hill just burned 4,000 gallons of diesel to pump that fake snow onto the slopes.  We're ALL destroying the planet, I suggest we all take responsibility and just move forward.  Nothing short of a worldwide Ebola outbreak is going to stop it.  Yep the "urban sprawl" is continuing...  No suprise there.   

I think youre missing what in my opinion is a photo essay on the behavior of skiers, not a statement of skiers and their effects on the environment.
In that respect, I do believe skiers can take the high ground over most other sports as the high majority of skiers, like weekend golfers IMO take great care of their playing field.

If you see that the environment is part of that equation, i'm pulling off the argument; as I know those become never eneding and heated and ABASIN OPENED TODAY and i'm enjoying that fact above all else.
post #18 of 21
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 ABASIN OPENED TODAY and i'm enjoying that fact above all else.

Jeebus!  What are you doing behind the computer?!????  GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  
post #19 of 21
Heh no we're not really pigs, everyone knows Golfers are pigs .
post #20 of 21
This gives me a great idea for a sequel. How bout European SKI Vaction?  Like this only winter?
post #21 of 21
Hmmmm...as a former inhabitant of a beach town, I can tell you tourism is tourism. The locals hate it, the city government loves it. That being said, skiing, as depicted in the photos, is a commercial venture and the resort owners who thought it would be appropriate to store garbage as they did or leave bottles in the snow are the ones the author should take issue with, not the skiers.
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