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2010 Volkl line-up

post #1 of 16
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Hello all,

I am looking for a couple new pairs of skis for the upcoming season, and I am considering the 2010 Volkl line.  I would like to get a fat, powder specific ski such as the Kuro or Chopstix as well as a more everyday-type condition ski, for which I am considering the Gotama and the Katana. 

Me: I live in Bozeman, MT and most of my days are spent at Big Sky, Bridger Bowl, or Moonlight Basin.  I am 6'5'', about 185lbs, and a level 8-9 skiier but with room for improvement in technique.  I ski mostly steeps and a lot of uncontrolled backcountry, though usually accessed through the resort gates.  If familiar with the Bozeman areas, I spend a lot of time on Big Sky's Big Couliour and A-Z chutes (and Moonlight's Headwaters), and the lines off the new Slushman's lift at Bridger.

My experience with fat skis is limited since I haven't been able to afford a new pair of skis until now; I spent last season pounding the final nail in the coffin on my 2006 Solomon 1080s and finished the season on a pair of inherited Solomon Crossmax, way too skinny for the deep Montana pow.

I want a powder ski that's long enough for my height and will float well and turn effortlessly, but can also handle narrow chutes.  In the more all-around catagory, I want to be able to shred crud, handle steep hardpack, dance through moguls, and hold an edge while ripping groomers back to the lift (too much to ask?).  Also, the mountains around here are composed heavily of andesite, a type of rock which eats skis alive, so durability is a definite plus!

Any advice pertaining to the Volkl line up, or any other ski that you think I should consider, would be much appreciated!
post #2 of 16
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..............everyday-type condition ski, for which I am considering the Gotama and the Katana.

I want to be able to shred crud,.....................Both can do this, the Katana is better.

handle steep hardpack.................................Both are fair at best

dance through moguls..................................Katana don't dance....Gotama-OK at best

and hold an edge while ripping groomers........Gotama don't rip groomerz.....Katana = Fair

SJ
post #3 of 16
I don't have any experience with the skis your looking at but one thing I would consider is the amount of cross-over you are going to have if you go with any of the two skis you mentioned. The Gotama and Katana  are 106 and 111 underfoot respectively which imo is pretty wide when you already have a pow-specific ski. If I was you I would be looking at the Volkl Grizzly, Volkl Bridge, or the Volkl AC50, which are 89,92, and 85 underfoot respectively. These skis would be much more effective in Crud/Moguls/Hardpack.
post #4 of 16
There are lots of Mid-fat ski's out there.  Dynastar has some nice ones in their lineup like the Sultan 85 and Mythic Rider. Fischer Watea 84 (bit softer than the Dynastar).  Try using the search, because there is tons of info on mid-fat skis.  No reason to stick with just Volkl....
post #5 of 16
Sounds to me like a set of Mantras for the tricky stuff and the Kuros for the deep stuff. The Mantras can rip groomers w/ the best of them and do chutes, etc.....one of the most versatile skis I've ever been on. I have both and they make a good combo for the west.

The Kuros are just FUN, FUN, FUN in anything over 5".......I've never, ever laughed and whooped it up as much as on the Kuros..........an INSANE ski!..........Every turn makes be laugh like a nutjob!.....
post #6 of 16
I'm not sure about the Kuru, and would probably choose the Katana over it. THere are a lot of skis that are fun, fun, funner than the Kurus in pow. For example,I would choose DPS Lotus, Moment Night Train, Rossignol S7, PM Gear Lhasa (just to name a few). They are soft, and they don't tour very well. If you like the GS feel, the Katana is a good choice, especially since did away with that wierd tail. If I could choose any Volkls for the western USA, I would go with AC50, Mantra and Katana. The jury is still out on the Gotama, but I think that the slight rocker on a 106mm ski is $$$.

BTW, I know where deals are to had on all these skis 
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by BZNpow View Post

I want a powder ski that's long enough for my height and will float well and turn effortlessly, but can also handle narrow chutes.  In the more all-around catagory, I want to be able to shred crud, handle steep hardpack, dance through moguls, and hold an edge while ripping groomers back to the lift (too much to ask?).  Also, the mountains around here are composed heavily of andesite, a type of rock which eats skis alive, so durability is a definite plus!

Any advice pertaining to the Volkl line up, or any other ski that you think I should consider, would be much appreciated!

Praxis Ski makes very bomber constructed powder skis and hey, they are made in the USA. If you search "Praxis Powders" here or at http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104129 I know you will read what awesome powder skis Keith makes. He has some on a early season special now for $499 at http://praxisskis.com
/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&page=shop.browse&category_id=1&Itemid=29&vmcchk=1&Itemid=29
Check the Protest out for a powder ski. I would buy another set of skis for ripping the groomers icy steeps and bumps.
If you want one ski to rule them all, then buy the Lotus 120 reviewed here: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1174657&postcount=210
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Canyons View Post

I'm not sure about the Kuru, and would probably choose the Katana over it. THere are a lot of skis that are fun, fun, funner than the Kurus in pow. For example,I would choose DPS Lotus, Moment Night Train, Rossignol S7, PM Gear Lhasa (just to name a few). They are soft, and they don't tour very well. If you like the GS feel, the Katana is a good choice, especially since did away with that wierd tail. If I could choose any Volkls for the western USA, I would go with AC50, Mantra and Katana. The jury is still out on the Gotama, but I think that the slight rocker on a 106mm ski is $$$.

BTW, I know where deals are to had on all these skis 


Where you referring to the Kuros when you mentioned they are soft and don't tour very well?  I don't tour a lot, but would like to get more into it.

Also, the lack of any rocker on the Katana makes me shy away from it as a pow ski... any idea why Volkl decided against the ELP design on the Katanas?


Also....what kind of deals can be had? :)
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by BZNpow View Post







Also, the lack of any rocker on the Katana makes me shy away from it as a pow ski... any idea why Volkl decided against the ELP design on the Katanas?


 

I though that you were getting a Kuro or Chopsrick as your powder ski with the other ski for everyday conditions. If so, why is rocker or not a factor on the Katana? Or have you now decided you going for the Katana as the powder ski and passing on the Kuro etc?

Either I'm getting confused or you are...............

SJ
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post




I though that you were getting a Kuro or Chopsrick as your powder ski with the other ski for everyday conditions. If so, why is rocker or not a factor on the Katana? Or have you now decided you going for the Katana as the powder ski and passing on the Kuro etc?

Either I'm getting confused or you are...............

SJ

 

Jim, 
Canyons suggested the Katana over the Kuro; something I hadn't considered.  I would imagine the Katana is a much better touring ski, as he pointed out, but I am still looking for a deep pow ski and and a ski that can handle lighter pow days, groomers, bumps, and touring.
post #11 of 16
these are popular skis in Tahoe, so I'll weigh in as you seem to be wavering.

The Katana is NOT any kind of all around ski. It's a bit of a beast. Powder and crud, but not easy to drive. requires powerful input and commitment.

From what I hear the Kuro, sized properly (don't buy it long, it's just not necessary) is a really fun ski for deep pow, and the chopstick even more fun, user friendly. 

both are powder skis, but one a stiff driver, the other a softer, more turnable floater.

Thinking quiver, these overlap, but for different skiers or different niche. Advice is worth what you pay for it, but: get the Chopstick or Kuro (if you're going Volkl) and a midfat mid-stiff flex that holds ice and shreds groomers and slides through bumps (Mantra is still way too much overlap with your pow ski sellection and a beast in bumps).
Edited by davluri - 10/8/09 at 7:46pm
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by BZNpow View Post




Jim, 
Canyons suggested the Katana over the Kuro; something I hadn't considered.  I would imagine the Katana is a much better touring ski, as he pointed out, but I am still looking for a deep pow ski and and a ski that can handle lighter pow days, groomers, bumps, and touring.

OK....so what do you want?

You want a powder deep powder ski and you now may want the Katana over the Kuro for that purpose b/c Canyons suggested it? OK....all good.

But you are suspicious of the Katana for that purpose b/c it has no rocker? OK.....all good as well......

But uhhhhh........what do you want?????

Consider Dave's post.

BTW, this may come as a surprise, but you won't get your pass pulled for skiing powder without a rockered ski.

SJ
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by BZNpow View Post

Also, the lack of any rocker on the Katana makes me shy away from it as a pow ski... any idea why Volkl decided against the ELP design on the Katanas?

Katana is full (but mild) reverse camber. I thought it was very well behaved and easy to ski. I wouldn't say I loved skiing bumps on them, but they weren't a major deterent.
post #14 of 16
BZNPow,
I'm the same height and weight as you and am curious as to what length you are going to go with on your everyday ski. Has anyone provided any recommendations (I didn't see any in this thread)?
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by CaryDale View Post

BZNPow,
I'm the same height and weight as you and am curious as to what length you are going to go with on your everyday ski. Has anyone provided any recommendations (I didn't see any in this thread)?

The reason for not seeing a length recommendation is that there is nothing close to a conclusion as to the model being chosen or the rest of the quiver. All that plays into the length choice.

SJ
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by CaryDale View Post

BZNPow,
I'm the same height and weight as you and am curious as to what length you are going to go with on your everyday ski. Has anyone provided any recommendations (I didn't see any in this thread)?
 

CaryDale,
I will most likely choose the longest length available in whichever set I decide upon.

Epic-
Thanks for correcting me, I was mistaken; The Katana does have the ELP rocker design.


SJ-
as for what I do want, I am still undecided and probably just ending up more confused than before.  I have been talking to a few knowledgeable friends who are raving about the Goats, and I'm looking for the right deal on a set now.  If I had my way, what I would really want would be to expand my quiver so I would always have the perfect ski for whatever conditions the day brings, but my wallet just isnt fat enough. 

So for now, I'm leaning towards the Goats as a day in/day out type ski, probably in the 194, but maybe the 186.  Any recommendations as for length or binding combination?  I think I might wait on a pow-specific ski until I have the chance to demo a few.

Thanks for all the advice everybody!
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